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  1. Kenzo

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    Buttler stopped him and scored when it mattered. Still glad we didn't sign him though.
     
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    Admittedly I did not watch the entire highlight clip. Only the first half of it or so when Butler was getting blown by and scored on.
     
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    ^ watch the last minute ;)
     
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  4. trodgers

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    Still not sure what I think of NBA.com's RPM, but here's the top 10 PGs, sorted by "Wins" (at right):

    1 James Harden HOU 30 36.7 7.92 -0.40 7.52 6.79
    2 Kyle Lowry TOR 30 34.1 3.74 1.32 5.06 5.53
    3 Jrue Holiday NO 35 36.7 3.20 0.35 3.55 5.52
    4 Kyrie Irving BOS 31 32.3 4.86 0.96 5.82 5.31
    5 Damian Lillard POR 34 35.2 5.57 -1.42 4.15 5.17
    6 Mike Conley MEM 33 34.1 4.54 -0.01 4.53 5.11
    7 Kemba Walker CHA 33 34.9 4.46 -1.20 3.26 4.55
    8 Stephen Curry GS 24 34.3 5.16 -0.02 5.14 4.48
    9 Eric Bledsoe MIL 33 29.9 3.29 0.52 3.81 4.27
    10 De'Aaron Fox SAC 34 31.8 2.65 -0.38 2.27 3.84

    Only two guys on there haven't been an All-Star: Bledsoe and Fox. The young dude is making it happen: 18.1 points, 7.7 dimes, 3.5 rebounds, 1.6 steals, 0.6 blocks, 52.1 eFG%, 19.4 PER.
     
  5. trodgers

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    MORE IMPROVEMENT NEEDED
    Brandon Ingram 15.5, 2.2, 4.0 (21.7) {-3.6}
    Vs. 25.3
    -Not looking like a success so far. Again, there's a lot to adapt to.

    Markelle Fultz 8.2, 3.1, 3.7 (15.0 total) {+1.0}
    Vs. 14.0
    -There's now a known problem. So let's see what happens when he returns.

    D’Angelo Russell 17.5, 6.2, 3.8 (27.5) {+3.5}
    Vs. 24.0
    -More minutes are pushing his values up. Decent improvement so far.

    Zach Collins 7.6, 0.9, 4.3 (12.8) {+4.3}
    Vs. 8.5
    -Playing very well, but he doesn't earn the minutes to make it happen.

    Malik Monk 10.6, 1.9, 1.8 (14.3) {+5.2}
    Vs. 9.1
    -Nice improvement over a low bar.

    MORE MINUTES NEEDED
    Domantas Sabonis 14.3, 2.9, 9.6 (26.8) {+5.5}
    Vs. 21.3
    -He's a ridiculously efficient offensive player.

    Jarrett Allen 11.8, 1.6, 8.2 (21.6) {+7.0}
    Vs. 14.3
    -He's a monster in the making.

    DO YOUR THING
    Buddy Hield 20.1, 2.4, 5.2 (27.7) {+8.5}
    vs. 19.2
    -Wasn't bad last year, but he's looking like a star this year.

    Zach LaVine 23.9, 4.7, 4.7 (33.3) {+9.7}
    Vs. 23.6
    -He has come down a bit, and injuries are a specter to be reckoned with, but what a season.

    Pascal Siakam 14.7, 2.7, 6.4 (23.8) {+10.0}
    vs. 13.8
    -Siakam has been a massive improvement this season, and he's just 24.

    De’Aaron Fox 18.1, 7.6, 3.5 (29.2) {+10.4}
    Vs. 18.8
    -82 games is a challenge for him with his frame, but his game is massive.
     
  6. trodgers

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    Didn’t watch the game (obviously), but Fox was horrible yesterday. I mean, just read the comments in the Ball thread.
     
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    :Laugh:
     
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    MORE IMPROVEMENT NEEDED
    Brandon Ingram 16.2, 2.9, 4.9 (24.0) {-1.3}
    Vs. 25.3
    -He's trending upward, which is nice, but it's still a no.

    Markelle Fultz 8.2, 3.1, 3.7 (15.0 total) {+1.0}
    Vs. 14.0
    -He's still out.

    Zach Collins 7.3, 1.0, 4.2 (12.5) {+4.0}
    Vs. 8.5
    -Slumping a bit, but he's improved a good bit over last season. Just not enough statistically.

    Malik Monk 10.3, 1.6, 1.8 (13.7) {+4.6}
    Vs. 9.1
    -Lots of room to grow.

    MORE MINUTES NEEDED
    D’Angelo Russell 19.0, 6.4, 3.7 (29.1) {+5.1}
    Vs. 24.0
    -He's playing so much better now. Time to bump him up a level.

    Domantas Sabonis 15.0, 2.9, 9.6 (27.5) {+6.2}
    Vs. 21.3
    -He has stopped shooting threes, and his game is so efficient. 24.0 PER, 4.8 BPM, 5.1 WS - almost exclusively off the bench and in under 26 MPG.

    Jarrett Allen 11.8, 1.4, 8.7 (21.9) {+7.6}
    Vs. 14.3
    -I think he's better than his numbers, too.

    NOT QUITE ENOUGH
    Zach LaVine 22.8, 4.3, 4.3 (31.4) {+7.8}
    Vs. 23.6
    -Continues to drop off a bit, and this is sort of the problem with his injuries and play style.

    Buddy Hield 20.2, 2.2, 4.8 (27.2) {+8.0}
    vs. 19.2
    -Flirting with 50-40-90, looking like a shooting star.

    DO YOUR THING
    De’Aaron Fox 17.7, 7.3, 3.6 (28.6) {+9.8}
    Vs. 18.8
    -A little bit of a dropoff. The grind of a long season is still going to take a lot out of him until he muscles up.

    Pascal Siakam 14.9, 2.9, 7.0 (24.8) {+11.0}
    vs. 13.8
    -He has improved even more since last time I updated.

    WORTH A LOOK?
    Kemba was already really good, but he's at 25.2, 5.7, and 4.2 - for 35.1, which would be {+4.3}
    Montrezl Harrell, Clint Capela, Josh Richardson, and John Collins will all be in the next one.
     
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    REMOVED
    If you're not hitting 25+ total points (pts + ast + reb) or {+5.0}, you're out.

    Insufficient Milestones (<25.0):
    Zach Collins 6.7, 0.9, 4.2 (11.8) {+3.3} Vs. 8.5
    Malik Monk 10.0, 1.8, 1.8 (13.6) {+4.5} Vs. 9.1
    Markelle Fultz 8.2, 3.1, 3.7 (15.0 total) {+1.0} Vs. 14.0
    Jarrett Allen 11.2, 1.5, 8.7 (21.4) {+7.1} Vs. 14.3
    Montrezl Harrell 16.1, 1.8, 6.6 (24.5) {+8.5} vs. 16.0

    Insufficient Improvement {<+5.0}
    Brandon Ingram 17.5, 3.0, 5.0 (25.5) {+0.2} Vs. 25.3
    Kuzma 19.1, 2.5, 5.7 (27.3) {+3.1} vs. 24.2
    Kemba was already really good, but he's at 35.1 {+4.3}.
    Domantas Sabonis 14.1, 2.8, 9.3 (26.2) {+4.9} Vs. 21.3

    The Best Remaining (new composite ranking)
    +17.1 John Collins 19.1, 2.0, 9.5 (30.6) {+11.5} vs. 19.1
    +15.8 Zach LaVine 23.3, 4.5, 4.4 (32.2) {+8.6} Vs. 23.6
    +13.2 Pascal Siakam 16.2, 2.9, 6.9 (26.0) {+12.2} vs. 13.8
    +12.8 D’Angelo Russell 20.5, 6.7, 3.7 (30.9) {+6.9} Vs. 24.0
    +12.2 Buddy Hield 20.7, 2.3, 5.2 (28.2) {+9.0} vs. 19.2
    +12.2 De’Aaron Fox 17.2, 7.2, 3.6 (28.0) {+9.2} Vs. 18.8
    +12.0 Clint Capela 17.3, 1.4, 12.6 (31.3) {+5.7} vs. 25.6
    +5.7 Josh Richardson 17.6, 3.9, 3.5 (25.0) {+5.7} vs. 19.3

    So, what do you think? John Collins? Does missing so many games hurt him?
     
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    Think Sabonis can be better if he wasn’t handcuffed to another you g promising big in Myles Tuner.
     
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    how buddy hield is still flying under the radar with a majority of people/media is beyond me (could it be that hes in sac town?)

    dude has been ballin all season long. glad you are noticing this
     
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    I keep thinking this is a Milwaukee Bucks thread sheesh
     
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    REMOVED
    If you're not hitting 25+ total points (pts + ast + reb) or {+5.0}, you're out.

    The Best Remaining (new composite ranking)
    +17.7 John Collins 19.5, 1.9, 9.5 (30.9) {+11.8} vs. 19.1
    +17.2 Zach LaVine 23.7, 4.7, 4.5 (32.9) {+9.3} Vs. 23.6
    +15.0 Pascal Siakam 16.9, 3.1, 6.9 (26.9) {+13.1} vs. 13.8
    +15.0 D’Angelo Russell 21.2, 7.0, 3.8 (32.0) {+8.0} Vs. 24.0

    +12.8 Buddy Hield 20.9, 2.5, 5.1 (28.5) {+9.3} vs. 19.2
    +12.6 De’Aaron Fox 17.2, 7.2, 3.8 (28.2) {+9.4} Vs. 18.8
    +10.6 Clint Capela 16.5, 1.4, 12.7 (30.6) {+5.0} vs. 25.6
    +09.2 Montrezl Harrell 16.6, 1.9, 6.6 (25.1) {+9.1} vs. 16.0
    +06.3 Domantas Sabonis 14.1, 2.9, 9.3 (26.3) {+5.0} Vs. 21.3

    Collins and LaVine have both missed significant amounts of time. This might open up a really fascinating showdown...

    Siakam - has missed two games. The Raptors have 56 wins after winning 59 last year. Does Having Leonard hurt him?
    Russell - has missed one game. The Nets have 40 wins after winning 28 last year. Russ is 5th on the team in Win Shares (but he crushes his teammates in RPM Wins).
     
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    Shouldn't Muscala be in there somewhere?
     
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    Oh dear....

    :Laugh:
     
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    I saw the same thing. What's not being reported is that D. Russell was with him too toking on a vaping device.

    :Magic Brows:













    am kidding

    :Fishwink:
     
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    Here's an early candidate for MIP next season.

    At age 20, he played in 66 games, 1045 minutes, and averaged 4.4 points, 3.3 rebounds, and 0.5 assists while shooting 40% FGs, 31% 3s, and 64% FTs.

    Last season, he was up to 77 games, 1356 minutes, and bumped everything: 6.6 points, 4.2 rebounds, and 0.9 assists (and 66 blocks) while shooting 47%, 33% on threes, and 75% on FTs.

    He increased all of his per36 minute stats, too. Increased WS from 0.6 to 2.9, VORP from -0.3 to 0.7, and BPM from -3.2 to 0.1.

    I had Zach Collins pegged as one of my favorites in the draft, and it looks like he's going to get every opportunity to start next season. If you look at games in which he played 20+ minutes last season, you see the potential. In those 26 games, he hit double digit points 11 times, at least 8 boards 8 times, blocked at least 2 shots 11 times, and hit a triple in 11 of them. He never played more than 27 minutes in a game, so that's something to take into consideration as a limiting factor. He may end up being a better real player than fantasy player, but the blocks and triples he offers are a pretty rare combo from a big.
     

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