Thomas Bryant

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  1. Alcindor

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    190% of previous salary for AR so, 3 mil roughly, his hold anyway. His salary next year is another story. Can't see him getting less than MLE. At the same time I don't see him getting much more. AR is a good fit on this team, with LBJ. Not a lot of teams will throw money at a 10/2/3 guy without a lot of athleticism, 117.5 defensive rating. To get 10+ most teams will want to see some real production. He should take our MLE or the equivalent in cap space.
     
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    A couple things:
    • Kiss Russ goodbye, there are teams that will pay him more than that. Houston has lots of space and would love him back. We will not match.
    • You think Schroder and his agent will take 3.9 while we pay Reaves 11.3? Believe me, they will compare it.
    • Cap hold on Walker/Reaves is 12.69 million not 8.8 million.
    • Trade piece for Nunn/Beverley[Jones] could be expiring. This is a grey area, no one knows what they can bring back or if we can get anything for them.
    • Finding a productive big wing at the vet min is easier said than done, it's about the most wanted position in the NBA right now.
     
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    - Fair enough on Russ. If he gets more, he gets more.
    - I doubt Schroeder will take that, I said in an ideal world we could sign all 3 by giving them the KCP promise. But if Russ leaves we have more to give Dennis and maybe someone else would take the 4ish million instead.
    - Not sure where you get your cap holds on Reaves and Walker from but sporttrac lists them as 8.8m cumulatively.
    - Yes what comes back could be an expiring but I doubt we trade for someone without knowing if they’ll resign/extend here.
    - It’s very hard to find a productive big wing, I’m more talking about a Troy Brown Jr or Danuel House type. Nothing amazing but a playable piece.
     
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    Cap holds
    1. If not coming off a rookie scale contract, and salary was at or above the estimated average salary, 150% of previous salary.
    2. If not coming off a rookie scale contract, and salary was below the estimated average salary, 190% of previous salary.
    As for fear of resigning an expiring, we fear that less than anyone, it's LA, the Lakers, the big lights. If we get their bird rights we don't care.
     
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    It is a rookie scale contract for Reaves. It’s his second year as a second round pick. So we have the Gilbert Arenas Provisions over him. He can’t sign for more than the MLE and his cap hold is 2 million. Check out sporttrac or any other cap website.
     
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    So the difference is 750,000
     
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    BTW anyone thinking the kid (TB) is not much of a defender needs to rewatch the last 5-6 minutes of the Sac game.
     
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    Yeah... I don't think he is that bad. He isn't the greatest secondary shot blocker and sometimes his boxing out is missing, but he's OK.

    Had he been just a tiny bit better, we'd not be able to afford him. I think he is playing himself out of our price range as it is.

    No way he signs for that 6M ...
     
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    Sorry my man but I trust sport trac more then the both of us and they’ve got the cap holds at 6.8m for Walker and 2m for Reaves.

    But agree with you on the rest!
     
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    i disagree on reaves's and russ's likely salary offers.

    i don't think anyone offers reaves full MLE, and i'm pretty sure russ won't get it, either (i'll be surprised in either case, i guess is the better way to put it).

    that said, a simple way around the latter is to work out an extension with russ prior to FA and operate over the cap. you can basically execute svtzr's plan almost exactly whilst paying russ closer to 15 per.

    and we'd still be well below the apron.

    i'm probably being unrealistically optimistic, but i think schroder, bryant, and walker should all have some incentive to sign 2 year deals here with a PO on the second at slightly below their market value.

    again, though, half a season to play, and our minds can change dramatically in that time span for many reasons (performance, injuries, etc.).
     
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    TB is the key. Neato little stat from Kyle Goon

    It's decided. TB is the way forward, let's move AD.

    ... joking.
     
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    it does maybe help ham think about lineups when AD returns, though.

    another important question is whether AD/TB/lebron works.
     
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    I hope lineup data keeps him up at night. Too many don't work typically because it's one player off and fixing that will require a trade. He's too stubborn with his available tools.

    I think it can. Bron thinks it can. I think the best lineup featuring those three would probably be
    TB
    AD
    Bron
    Troy Brown
    DS

    You need shooting to optimize space, even if TB and AD are spacers themselves. Teams are going to play you a certain way with size. Bron has to pick up his 3%. He'll need help on the wing, so it has to be Brown (until we hopefully make a trade). DS is needed for ball handling and shooting.
     
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    It's definitely worth exploring. If AD could play with McGee, why not with Bryant? If anything, it should be easier.

    About the starting SG: Lonnie shoots over 38% from outside, he could work just fine there. So can Reaves, but he's not as good from 3 and shoots lower volume (3.5 vs Lonnie's 5.5 threes per game; he is a better defender though).
     
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    The regression of both concern me for that particular lineup. Maybe Lonnie gets his mojo back after we clear the logjam. AR, I think we've run him into the ground again and he's not built up his NBA stamina enough to be ready for this. Yes, he'll always find ways to contribute and be the connector piece that he is. Maybe the two-three weeks off will help serve as a reset, but if his legs are shot already he can't work as a spacer which is required for this particular lineup.

    On the flip side, it took Brown until recently to get into the nice groove he found. Maybe the injury sets him back too. Hope not, but we'll see.

    Ultimately it was a really bad time for the injury bug to bite. Between how well we're playing and the ability to be able to best evaluate what we have before the trade deadline.
     
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    Lonnie can't play with Bev, this is just not a good combination. We need to get rid of some guards for him to really shine. Forcing him to slide up to the 3 is horrible, and he gets murdered playing the SF. He's a 2, period. You either let him play his proper position (or alternatively, slide him down to a 1 with another guy playing the primary playmaker/ballhandler) -- or do him a favor and trade him. Because a SF he is not.
     
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    we played kcp (or bradley) as the nominal pg when we won a title. i don't see why lonnie can't be that. he's a better ballhandler and playmaker than either. he's not as good a team defender as either, though, which is the downside.
     
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    Reaves, agreed. Russ... Houston is a worry there. They have 70 million, 50 if they take Gordon's option. They suck and really need a name in there and there is their past relationship. Speaking of past relationships, OKC can throw money at him. So can the Spurs, so can Charlotte, so can Detroit or the Pacers. Someone will pay Russ (much to my bewilderment too, believe me). My prediction is 2 years, 18-20 million each.
     
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    I'm not sure about the perimeter shooting, TB can shoot the 3 but doesn't very much, Schroder is doing great but his last 5 year average is more like 33% so I don't know how long that will last, it isn't because he's paired with LBJ either as he was 33% last time he was here. LBJ is just terrible from 3 this season, game after game of 1-5 and he's @ 29% now. We know AD is terrible. Troy Brown is serviceable, 34% career, 35%+ currently. I think Reaves in place of Brown when he gets back would be better. Not that he is great from 3 either but he fits so well.
     
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    put up a DD going up against jokic
     
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