Phil Jackson: Duke players rarely live up to expectations of NBA

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    Heck of a talent. Really, the ONLY thing holding him back is his health...if he was healthy for the GS series, I think Cleveland wins even minus Love. He's that good. One of my favorite players to watch...
     
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    I don't even know how much stock you can put in these program's impact for one and done players....

    They are picking schools based on who is in front of them and how they will be showcased vs concern over the depth chart, learning the game, developing, etc.

    Just a new world out there.
     
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    Phil Jackson: Andrea Bargnani Was 'Malingerer', Had 'Bad Effect On Team'
    AUG 11, 2015 5:00 AM

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    Phil Jackson criticized Andrea Bargnani, who signed with the Brooklyn Nets this offseason after a disappointing two seasons with the New York Knicks.

    “AB was and still is a big tease,” Jackson said on April 23rd.

    “When he was injured he refused to do simple non-contact activities like dummy our offense in practice,” Jackson said. “He seemed to be a malingerer and this had a bad effect on the team, and also on the way the Knicks fans reacted to him. When he was on the court, he had a hard time staying intense, didn’t hustle back in offense-to-defense transition, wasn’t active enough in defending screen-rolls.”



    Phil.... [​IMG] [​IMG]

    If you don't have anything nice to say, how about say nothing at all. Geez.
     
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    I laughed at the recent Tim Hardaway Jr. comments from PJ. He stirs the pot, alright.

    In other news, it shouldn't be that hard to analyze this one.
    Look at where Duke players were drafted, compare their performance with averages of those drafted at those positions.
    The difficulties would be a) deciding whether Duke players drop because they're from Duke (seems unlikely) b) finding a suitable metric for comparisons - Pts+Ast+Reb? Shooting Slashes? PER? ORtg/DRtg? Win Shares?

    Because I don't care about Duke players and non-Lakers, I can't see myself ever doing that research.
     
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    Or..... if you don't have anything nice to say ..... say it about sirron [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Meh ..... I bought you a beer above...... lighten up. All in good clean fun during this interminable down time off season.

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    Since PJ started as a head coach:

    1989 DRAFT
    Danny Ferry #2 pick
    18133 minutes, 6439 points, 1185 assists, 2550 rebounds
    Won a ring as a backup with SA
    34.8 Win Shares (11th highest)

    1990 DRAFT
    Alaa Abdelnaby #25 pick
    3200 minutes, 1465 points, 85 assists, 846 rebounds
    4.8 Win Shares (29th highest)
    Phil Henderson #49 pick
    DNP
    0.0 Win Shares (t-48th highest)

    1992 DRAFT
    Christain Laettner #3 pick
    25760 minutes, 11121 points, 2224 assists, 5806 rebounds
    64.9 Win Shares (5th highest)
    Brian Davis #48 pick
    374 minutes, 131 points, 22 assists, 55 rebounds
    0.0 Win Shares (t-44th best)

    Pick/Value
    2/11
    3/5
    25/29
    48/44
    49/48

    I'll probably do more...I'm on summer break.
     
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    1993 DRAFT
    Bobby Hurley #7 pick
    4170 minutes, 1032 points, 880 assists, 283 rebounds
    -1.2 Win Shares (54th best)

    Thomas Hill #39 pick
    DNP
    0.0 Win Shares (t-35th)

    1994 DRAFT
    Grant Hill #3 pick
    34776 minutes, 17137 points, 4252 assists, 6169 rebounds
    99.9 Win Shares (3rd most)

    Antonio Lang #29 pick
    1395 minutes, 329 points, 50 assists, 210 rebounds
    1.7 Win Shares (39th best)

    1995 DRAFT
    Cherokee Parks #12 pick
    7459 minutes, 2056 points, 265 assists, 1703 rebounds
    11.8 Win Shares (24th best)

    Erik Meek #41 pick
    DNP
    0.0 Win Shares (t-39th)

    1996/1997
    No Draft Picks

    Pick/Value
    3/3
    7/54
    12/24
    29/39
    39/35
    41/39
     
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    Pick/Value
    2/11
    3/3
    3/5
    7/54
    12/24
    25/29
    29/39
    39/35
    41/39
    48/44
    49/48

    Average Selection: 23rd
    Average Value: 30th

    Is PJ onto something? Well, we'll have to see the next two decades' worth.
     
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    1998
    Roshown McLeod #20 pick
    2130 minutes, 817 points, 124 assists, 308 rebounds
    0.2 Win Shares (45th highest)

    1999 DRAFT
    Elton Brand #1 pick
    34685 minutes, 16757 points, 2166 assists, 8977 rebounds
    109.5 Win Shares (2nd best)

    Corey Maggette #13 pick
    2358 minutes, 13198 points, 1696 assists, 4022 rebounds
    62.2 Win Shares (10th best)

    Trajan Langdon #11 pick
    1738 minutes, 647 points, 152 assists, 159 rebounds
    2.9 Win Shares (29th best)

    William Avery #14 pick
    1205 minutes, 397 points, 199 assists, 93 rebounds
    -0.9 Win Shares (58th best)

    2000 DRAFT
    Chris Carrawell #41 pick
    DNP
    0.0 Win Shares (t-45th best)

    2001 DRAFT
    Shane Battier #6 pick
    30004 minutes, 8408 points, 1717 assists, 4082 rebounds
    75.7 Win Shares (5th best)

    2002 DRAFT
    Carlos Boozer #34 pick
    26901 minutes, 13976 points, 1928 assists, 8192 rebounds
    80.3 Win Shares (2nd best)

    Mike Dunleavy #3 pick
    25796 minutes, 10551 points, 2096 assists, 4013 rebounds
    56.1 Win Shares (6th best)

    Jay Williams #2 pick
    1961 minutes, 714 points, 350 assists, 195 rebounds
    0.8 Win Shares (t-35th best)


    Pick/Value
    1/2
    2/11
    2/35
    3/3
    3/5
    3/6
    6/5
    7/54
    11/29
    12/24
    13/10
    14/58
    20/45
    25/29
    29/39
    34/2
    39/35
    41/39
    41/45
    48/44
    49/48

    Average Pick: 19.2
    Average Value: 27.1
     
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    As far as DUKE goes, he might not be wrong as far as expectations go for those players and how they turn out. Mostly it's Phil being Phil though, and probably covering for not getting Okafor when he was so close.

    Concerning Phil talking like that about Bargnani, that's bad management. He's not a coach anymore, he isn't in the business of taking shots at other teams and players to get reactions or give his team bulletin board material from their replies. He's a GM now, he has to make deals with other teams, he has to lure players to the Knicks. It might not be an issue for many players, but I'd think at least some would be wary of going there if they think when they leave they are going to be trashed by Phil to the press or even in a book.
     
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    The reason Duke players generally don't work out in the NBA is quite simple. Historically coach K has recruited players that fit his system. They were still cream of the crop players, but they were players that in terms of work ethics, attitude, and skill set fit his plan. And while they have been very successful in that system, the NBA since the rise of Jordan has been player centric and not system centric. With 1 and dones this seems to be changing a bit for coach K, but the one and done is really changing the entire landscape of college basketball as it is allowing smaller and mid major schools who can run a team of sophomores and seniors compete more and more with the big schools who are banking on big talent for a year. In time you might even see a shift of power...maybe...
     
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