I’m not saying what he does has a positive impact or is effective. My comment was he will go to any lengths, that’s the type of personality he has. That’s why I don’t see any issue from his side on playing with Westbrook. Now Westbrook might turn that around and cause friction.
Westbrook doesn't take kindly to constructive criticism. Dude broke the triple double record. Averaged triple double for multiple seasons. You can't tell that man anything he don't want to hear.
That's not true. Can you sustain that claim that it has led to better performance from the opposing player? Over the last 5 seasons, Beverley has allowed the 2nd-lowest FG pct as the closest defender among players with 2,000 shots defended over that span.” https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-new...asons-will-quickly-endear-him-to-la-fans/amp/ Also, the only guy that it actually didn't work was Durant. Well... it's freakin Durant who is 8 inches taller than him. By personal experience it works to rattle the opponent because the game gets more emotional and the brain works worse when filled with emotional inputs. The other guy wants to punish you and respond to you, instead of making the best rational decisions. Of course at this level there are guys that just raise the level in such occasions, but they are the exception rather than the rule. So I'm really curious to understand where your stance come from because it doesn't seem supported by data or science
i think bevs is like the raja bells of the past--billed as some sort of stopper, but his real value is consistent effort, good iq on defense, and some latitude from the officials that others don't get.
This type of personality Coach Ham has to set boundaries with early. Let him know before games ever start what lines can't be crossed. Use examples of past behavior and let him know what will get his butt on the bench. Those raw emotion guys keep building up and have to be yanked back. I think you have the two personality types pretty much figured out.
right. i agree. the story that he can shut stars down is silly. but that's silly about anyone. luka absolutely clowned both kawhi leonard and PG. the best players can't be stopped. bevs bothers everyone else. a lot. which helps you win games over the course of a long season.
I once saw him strip Lebron of the ball. His competitiveness is his best asset. If it's contagious, he'll be appreciated.
fans seem to be easy to win over if you work hard and have a great attitude Hopefully he'll leave the silly antics out and questionable dirty play type of things. Not sure fans will have any patience for that.
I'm appalled we even consider some of the people we consider in this leBron era. it doesn't fit our patterns of the past, and it's not a trend I like.
We'll see on the antics. I don't think he's going to change after ~10 years in the NBA. LeBron doesn't strike me as a leader that will put his foot down to tell him to stop either.
I don't believe Lebron could be an influence on Beverly but I do believe Coach Ham has a level of expectations that he will not compromise. Ham will not allow his team to be labeled as "dirty". Ham believes he can control Beverly the same way he believes he can make good use of Russ. Now if they don't fall in line with what he expects then we will see some fireworks with time cut or players benched. The culture has changed with Ham, some of these guys might not know it yet. Just want to throw in I don't think the culture is a ton different than what Frank wanted he just wasn't given the latitude to make it happen. The FO seems to have learned from that mistake and is giving Darvin the authority to actually make it happen.
I hope you're right because that would be ideal. I wonder if the FO will try to step in once the team goes on a losing streak.
lol rambis will! anyway, i think the dirtiness comes with the territory for bevs. it's part of his identity as a player. i think most fans will swallow it just like we did malone, as long as things are going well.
https://theathletic.com/3545827/202...p-rotation/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983 How the Patrick Beverley trade changes the Lakers’ rotation: Depth chart version 2.0 By Jovan Buha 5h ago 4 How does Patrick Beverley affect the Lakers’ rotation? With the caveats that this isn’t the final version of the roster and there are still likely changes to come ahead of training camp, here is Version 2.0 of the Lakers’ projected depth chart, rotation and positional battles. (Read Version 1.0 here.) (Cole Swider and Scotty Pippen Jr. aren’t included, as it’s unlikely that either player has a significant role on next season’s roster barring injuries.) Lakers depth chart POS. STARTERS BENCH BENCH BENCH C Thomas Bryant Damian Jones Wenyen Gabriel PF Anthony Davis Juan Toscano-Anderson SF LeBron James Troy Brown Jr. SG Austin Reaves Patrick Beverley Lonnie Walker IV Max Christie PG Russell Westbrook Kendrick Nunn Lakers starters PLAYER MINUTES Thomas Bryant 20 Anthony Davis 33 LeBron James 34 Austin Reaves 25 Russell Westbrook 28 The Lakers’ projected starting lineup remains unchanged post-Beverley trade. If Russell Westbrook remains in Los Angeles, there is expected to be an open competition for the second backcourt spot, primarily between Austin Reaves and Beverley. Beverley has been a nearly full-time starter since his second season in the league, but he’s also never played on a team that already has two players who act as starting point guards (LeBron James and Westbrook). There’s a strong argument that Beverley is best deployed by staggering his minutes off the bench so he mostly plays with one of James or Westbrook. There’s a counter-argument that Beverley’s 3-point shooting and defense are indispensable regardless of the lineup configuration. Unless the Lakers are willing to regularly put Beverley on wings, though, they likely need Reaves’ size and length against bigger shooting guards and small forwards. Nonetheless, it’s close. There is an argument either way, and the coming weeks will determine which player ultimately gains the edge. Reaves retains it here for now. Reaves and Thomas Bryant have been two of the standout performers in player workouts, league sources told The Athletic. Bryant is nearly 19 months removed from knee surgery after partially tearing his left ACL and is beginning to regain his mobility. Reaves, who bulked up this offseason to around 209 pounds, has been working diligently on his 3-point shot, strength and endurance for the grind of an 82-game season, as well as his physicality to handle bigger wings on the perimeter. With less depth in the frontcourt following the Beverley trade — Stanley Johnson was a forward and Talen Horton-Tucker could slide up to small forward — the Lakers are likely to play bigger more often to compensate for their lack of size on the perimeter. Bryant’s minutes increase from 16 to 20, while Reaves’ minutes dip slightly from 28 to 25 due to Beverley’s presence. Lakers bench PLAYER MINUTES Damian Jones 12 Juan Toscano-Anderson 18 Troy Brown Jr. 14 Patrick Beverley 26 Kendrick Nunn 16 Lonnie Walker IV 14 Beverley is basically the sixth starter in this model, given that he’s fourth in minutes per game. He’s averaged 25.8 minutes per game over the past four seasons – though he logged just 22.5 minutes per game during the 2020-21 season, his final one with the Clippers. When factoring in his age and injury history, the Lakers need to be careful with his regular-season on-court workload. As is often the case with Alex Caruso, Beverley’s energy expenditure can fatigue him earlier than the average player. The Lakers can use him as a change-of-pace disruptor who comes off the bench a few minutes into the game for Westbrook, creating opportunities later in the first quarter and at other times to deploy Westbrook-Anthony Davis-shooters lineups. Otherwise, everyone else takes a slight hit compared to Version 1.0. In particular, the perimeter trio of Kendrick Nunn, Lonnie Walker IV and Troy Brown Jr. Nunn is slightly less valuable with Beverley around, as Beverley can provide similar ballhandling and playmaking with better shooting, rebounding and defense. (That would change, of course, if Westbrook is traded and Beverley moves into the starting lineup at point guard.) The Lakers stretch to an 11-man rotation in Version 2.0, though there’s a possibility that one of Brown or Walker falls out entirely. Brown fills a greater need as a bigger wing who’s a better shooter and defender, but contracts often dictate playing time. Walker has the largest salary of any signing the offseason, and he’s expected to fill a Malik Monk-esque role. That leaves Wenyen Gabriel and Max Christie as the players on the outside of the rotation. Gabriel moves up to being the 12th man, temporarily. Christie is a long shot for rotation minutes. Swider and Pippen will also be hard-pressed to earn legitimate minutes, but Swider’s shooting, along with the lack of frontcourt depth, could lead to him having a role at some point. Here are the updated projected rotation battles that will play out in training camp and the preseason. Starting shooting guard Contenders: Austin Reaves vs. Patrick Beverley As previously reported, the Lakers are looking to start whichever backcourt player can make 3s and defend at the point of attack at the highest level. On paper, that is Beverley. He is the more established and battle-tested option. He has been entrenched as a starter for nearly a decade. However, there are drawbacks to starting such a small backcourt, even if Beverley and Westbrook are two of the best rebounding guards and both capable of depending up a position or two. The rotation also likely flows better by staggering the Lakers’ primary ballhandlers. There is enough overlap between Reaves and Beverley that the Lakers don’t lose much regardless of their choice. The battle will likely come down to Reaves’ shooting. If he recaptures his stroke from college and the first half of his rookie season, it makes more sense to start him. If not, Beverley should have the advantage. Fifth and sixth perimeter players Contenders: Kendrick Nunn vs. Troy Brown Jr. vs. Lonnie Walker IV James, Reaves, Westbrook and Beverley are locks for minutes at the three perimeter positions (point guard, shooting guard and small forward). The other two spots are up for grabs. Nunn is the best player on paper, and could, in a sense, end up as the Lakers’ best “free-agency” addition this season. At the same time, he’s technically the third point guard behind Westbrook and Beverley, which somewhat limits his upside in the rotation. Brown and Walker have different strengths. Brown is defensive-minded and fits better around the Lakers’ stars as a spot-up threat and low-usage option. Walker reprises the Monk role of instant offense and swings in efficiency. He’s a defensive liability on a team that is desperate for wing defense. In terms of fit and team needs, Walker should be the odd man out. When considering contracts, it’s Brown. The Lakers could also opt for more of an 11-man rotation, which is the projection here. Fifth closer Contenders: Russell Westbrook vs. Juan Toscano-Anderson vs. Kendrick Nunn vs. Troy Brown Jr. James and Davis are closing fixtures. Reaves and Beverley are penciled in to fill in the perimeter with their 3-and-D skill sets. So, who’s the fifth closer? Westbrook is the obvious favorite, but as the Lakers saw last season, his shooting limitations, inconsistent defensive effort and questionable decision-making sometimes hurt the team down the stretch of close games. That led to former head coach Frank Vogel benching Westbrook multiple times in the second half of the season. Ham has the green light to bench Westbrook when appropriate.
Can't believe someone with Rambis' track record has so much say in the most successful basketball franchise in modern history.
Not true, Linda Rambis too. Also Phil Jackson as he’s clearly been a fantastic little yes man for Phil for decades.
