Not really. You are missing mine. Saying that our dept. is good means they outperform others (or average if you will). Based on the above it is not clear to me. I can't be assed into checking this, but if you were to compare our average output at a certain draft position (say, #7 us expected to be 1 All Star and 12 year career, on average) we'd be right there (coincidentally, that's Randle). Saying good is consistently drafting value. AR is an example of value (even if undrafted, consider him pick #60). Zubac is value. Brian Cook isn't. Nor is Crittenton.
That's my point. We do pretty much like everyone else, IMO, so all that high praise for the drafting/scouting dept. is based on a very small success sample, IMO.
BI was a #2 pick. I damn well expect him to be a starter, but I'd argue that for his draft position he is a semi-bust (with Darko being a super-bust and Zo being a bust). A nothing player, again, relatively to his draft position. Hart and Zubac are fine. But there were a LOT of picks at same position who flamed out. So it's all averages to mediocre, much like the entire league, IMO.
You’re missing the lesson of your own lists, imo. We have generally outperformed expected pick value. Your expected value is off. https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm I’d argue the top of the draft is noisier, too, as that’s where teams gamble on potential the most, weirdly enough. anyway, nance, Zubac, hart, kuz are all solid/role player—to find one at pick 25 or later is 1 in 5 odds. Throw Wagner in, and we’re 5-5 in that draft position, vastly outperforming expectations.
Yeah, disagree about vastly outperforming. At 25, possible. At like 20, probably not. And vastly underperforming at #2, which we have had 3!!!!! To me, drafting value in 25 is "easier", because you are allowed to gamble more and thus have higher picks and lower lows (IMO). It's at the 15th where the gonads start shrinking and so far, we haven't had enough of those to be statistically significant. JHS will prove me wrong, though.
There’s no disagreeing with the numbers. 100% success rate where the average is 20%. Even the #2 picks you bemoan are about at average (2/3 with all star appearances). if jhs never plays another game, we’re still killing the odds. The lesson isn’t that we’re not good at drafting; it’s that the draft sucks most of the time.
A game low -55 He did look to get after the boards, so there's that. But he's still so far away from being a NBA player. Our new development program has their work cut out for them.
At least he showed up for this cause he's been awful in everything else he's done in summer league and pre-season this year
It was nice that he made 5 threes, but the WAY he plays still doesn’t translate to the actual NBA at all though. He can barely dribble, and he attacks the hoop wildly using his athleticism on less athletic guys, that doesn’t work in the league because everyone is huge and athletic. He still has time to slow down and improve, but I’m just not seeing it.
Still not a NBA player. But if there's progress or strides, that is promising for a reevaluation next summer. Still... would trade him for an open roster spot in that same .5 seconds
i think we're trying to develop him the right way. we're moving away from his instincts as a primary scorer and learn how to fit in on both ends as a last option type. can he do it? bruce bowen was a scorer in college but committed himself to be a totally different guy at the next level. max will have to do that. so yes, i would also trade him for nothing, lol. but he certainly has nba tools (speed, size, play finishing ability).
