LLLLLeBron 3-5 Finals Record Without SuperTeam

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  1. wcsoldier81

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    2004 Kobe could use a lot of excuses too ... but he just said Detroit was the better team ...
     
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    Naw, Kobe is 5-0 because Malone was hurt for that other title, so that loss doesn't count either.

    Isn't it wonderful to live in magical fairy tail land where losses in championship series don't count and Dwight Howard is a Champion because he said so?
     
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    I thought if the Warriors won LEBRONSPN would be somewhat tolerable. It's all about LeBron and how he had no help, how he should've won Finals MVP. How about giving Golden State some credit?
     
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    ESPN has a new article asking if Lebron underachieved in his career in terms of rings. Article starts off as Lebron has as many losses as Bird, Kobe, Jordan combined and then goes on to give the usual excuse after excuse after excuse. Can't link it now, but it's pathetic.

    Picked up another interesting point reading the comments to the article.....

    Why isn't AI lauded as the GOAT. He took a piss poor Sixers squad to the Finals AND stole a game from one of the most dominant squads in the playoffs EVER.

    Winners win period, losers always have the he did this, BUT.......
     
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    link

     
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    wow, so what career opportunities do you see for Stein after this horrible, totally overboard and unjustified hate on the one and only?
     
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    James gets Lue...how long before he turns on Lue? Anyone recall how dismissive he is of Spoelstra in Miami. If Wade hadn't been there, he'd be just another coach on the wayside.
     
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    I don't think LeBron has ever had a coach he respects.
     
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    Sounds like Blatt is gone unless Bron wants a punching bag and to continue to run the team by himself. I'm not that high on Blatt, but he did just get his team tu the finals and deserves better.

    The fact that Blatt erased a play then drew up another because Bron was shaking his head on the bench is ridiculous. Stand up for yourself and make the self entitled baby respect you. You're probably gone either way.

    I think the only upgrade who Bron would respect is Mark Jackson.
     
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    Poor Bronnie :( Give him a trio of Pop, P Jax and coach K please.
     
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    A player can disagree with a coach's strategy but show some respect...some class, don't embarrass the man in front of your own team and everyone around. That's low. James deserves praise for how he performed but these accounts of his behavior offsets it all. I'm aware of his talent but now I despise his persona even more.
     
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    Oh please, LBJ ...... fire Blatt and hire Tyron freaking Lue to be your coach next year. He's got that "it" and gravitas that a king like you will listen to ALL season long next year. Oh please ..... "just do it". :rofl::rofl::rofl:

    LeBron James defied David Blatt as blatantly as ever during the NBA Finals
    By Jesus Gomez@JejeGomez_PtR on Jun 18, 2015, 3:21p 48


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    LeBron James had one of the best performances in NBA Finals history despite the Cavaliers' ultimate loss. He carried a shorthanded team to six games on sheer talent and will alone.

    Behind the scenes, however, he was ignoring and at times disrespecting coach David Blatt as much as ever, according to ESPN's Marc Stein.

    "There was LeBron, in one instance I witnessed from right behind the bench, shaking his head vociferously in protest after one play Blatt drew up in the third quarter of Game 5, amounting to the loudest nonverbal scolding you could imagine," Stein wrote. "Which forced Blatt, in front of his whole team, to wipe the board clean and draw up something else."

    It's not the first report of James not acknowledging Blatt. Early in the season, rumors emerged that James was the one calling the plays. He actually acknowledged that he changed an end-of-game play call after his game-winner against the Bulls.

    The relationship has not been good at any point, but tension reached its peak in the final series, with Stein saying James consulted with assistant coach Tyronn Lue instead of Blatt and called timeouts and plays on his own.

    Normally, not having the respect of a star player -- never mind one as influential as LeBron James is in Cleveland --would be a death sentence for a coach. That might not be the case for Blatt, simply because James is happy with having someone to "kick around," according to ESPN's Brian Windhorst:

    "I think, at the end of the day, LeBron likes the freedom. He likes having Blatt to kick around, something he couldn't get away with with other coaches in the past," Windhorst said on SVP and Russilo. "I think LeBron is OK with him going forward. If David Blatt is OK with taking the abuse from the star player, which he does, David Blatt will be back. I think it'll be Blatt's decision more than anybody else at this point."

    Reports of James' non-relationship with Blatt have been emerging all season, to the point where they have become impossible to shrug away as exaggeration. The Cavaliers made the Finals, so Blatt's job should be safe, in theory.

    If things are as bad as they seem to be, though, it wouldn't be surprising to see a change in the offseason.

    http://www.sbnation.com/2015/6/18/8807447/lebron-james-disrepected-david-blatt-finals-cavaliers
     
  13. Weezy

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    I think, as that second article mentions, the worst thing he did was point out that he changed a play to get himself the last second shot. He made the shot and the Cavs won, so I believe he was more than happy and excited to point out to the media that he changed what the coach called and wanted the game winner for himself. Had he missed the shot, does he go out of his way to point out he wasn't even supposed to take it? I'm not so sure he's jumping to give himself credit and throw his coach under the bus in that situation. Without naming names, there are players who would be getting killed by the media for how LeBron has treated Blatt, but of course he's largely gotten a pass. Good for Stein for having the guts to call him out though.
     
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    I don't have a problem with Bron talking about what's going on, on the court. Chauncey Billups said he changed plays all the time, right after the coach drew it up. Players are in the thick of it and see what's going on (opponent tired, hurt, not able to stop you going left, etc).

    Where I have a problem is the disrespect. He did the same to Mike Brown and Spoelstra. It wasn't until he won a title with Spoelstra that he showed him respect. Prior to that, he only listened to Riley.

    But, you gotta put part of the blame on the coach. Sit his a&& down. Tell the media what he did (Phil did it when Pippen refused to go in the game). Phil also did it with Shaq and Kobe.
     
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    Blatt shouldn't have cowered, but I don't think he could've used the media. Phil was a master manipulator in that way. The media has never had a year round hard on for any athlete the way the worship Bron. That would've backfired and they'd be calling for his head for taking the almighty out of the game.
     
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    When I was about 21 or 22 I was coaching a team of men older than me. They were constantly saying "put me in" or "why did you call a timeout?" It took me until about the 5th game to get the courage to tell them to STFU. My voice was quivering, but I had had enough. And they never said another word.

    Blatt is gonna get fired or not shown respect either way. So why not go out on your own terms? media wants to criticize? Go ahead. They do it anyway. I remember Parcells said their were rumors of him being fired after his first year, so he decided he was gonna do it his way and then if he were fired, he knew he did it his way. he said everything fell in place at that moment. Blatt is gonna have to find that courage or he's not gonna be in the NBA much longer.
     
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    Well, in LeBron's defense, it is almost impossible to actually coach perfection.
     
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    He's the best player in the world...might as well be the best coach too.
     
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    I don't think it's fair that LeBron gets credit for the wins, and Blatt blame for the losses. I think Blatt got the absolute most out of what roster he had left that he could have. It was a no win situation. I put little blame on LeBron for not winning the Finals against a better and deeper team, and I put just as little on the coach. One team has to lose, and the better team simply won. LeBron played great, players like Mosgov and Thompson stepped their game way up, but it still wasn't enough and eventually Delevadova came back to earth, and the Warriors adjusted and figured it out. I don't see any other coach out there that could have gotten a different result in the same situation. If LeBron and Blatt don't get along and they want to fire him to make LeBron happy and make sure he stays, that's one thing, but I think Blatt could hold his head high if they did about the job he did, and the Cavs would (or should) not make him a scapegoat. I think he deserves another season though, if Irving is healthy they probably win that finals, not to mention Love.
     
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    As far as I could tell, Blatt had the Cavs playing nearly perfect defense. The cavs defense wasn't their issue, it was the fact that Lebron dominated the ball so hard, it was hard for them to score. And I don't recall Lebron getting any sort of rest during the finals, which I'm sure was Lebron's decision.
     
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