Kawhi Leonard Discussion: “I’m A Snake Clipper Guy.”

Yes and no. I still hate that he spurned us but it sounds like really had a bond with that team and I get that based on how long he was there.

 

Well all the young talent is what the Spurs wanted from us. The details is that Pop didn't want to trade him to us, to create another dynasty. Plenty of reports of him and RC rather sending him East than to us. With that in mind you can't compare what they traded Kawhi for with what we could/should have gave up.

 

Toronto should trade Kawhi to the Lakers at the deadline instead of roll the dice on him walking away. They will at least pick up a decent piece or two with picks, maybe. Lakers would be more likely to give them a decent trade if by February it looks like Kawhi will make the difference of getting to the Finals.

 

All I'm saying is, LeBron at 35 won't be as good as LeBron at 33. And in his 18th season, his value will start to diminish a lot.

We also assume our young talent will make large strides. If they don't, their value declines. Look at what happened to Russell. I don't think the Nets would be able to get as much for him as we did, tbh.

 

Hopefully they will be more reasonable, and willing to trade him for Ingram and picks. At this point that's the only way I see for us to salvage this season.

There's one big pro and con though, assuming they do trade him:

PRO: We get to see how healthy Leonard is
CON: If Ingram and Kuzma, etc don't play well during the season, then the Raptors will want more assets, and the Clippers become dangerous.

 

well thats why mgmt traded Russell and NOT BI, so they know more than you or I

 

Anyone on this board would have done the same. It was clear Ingram was the better prospect from day one. But Ingram's ceiling as a player is Leonard. And if we had traded for him, we don't waste LeBron's VERY limited prime in waiting for Ingram to maybe become that guy someday.

Anyways, what's done is done. No point in crying over spilled milk. I'm ready to move forward with the team as constructed, and see how the perform, and where our gaps are. I'm more curious to see what offense we run, as that will dictate our success more than anything else at this point. I think we made a mistake, but only time will tell who is right.

 

To salvage this season?
We still got Lebron freaking James. We signed some guys to give us an identity, to play hard and extend Lebron's career. We drafted some nice young pieces. We kept our other young pieces who have a chance to make huge strides. We have cap space flexibility for next offseason. If we can gel, we are a Curry turned ankle or KD knee strain away from giving them a good run for their money.

This isn't MozDeng. I feel like you are being negative for the sake of being negative.

 

Then so be it.

Several of us have been preaching from the jump that it was unlikely Pop would trade him to us. It's still going to be tough, but that's the nature of this thing. Pop was being unreasonable and I support the team's decision to not cave in and trade off all of our assets.

I'd love Leonard but let's not get boxed in to the thought that there are no other moves that can be made. The Leonard to Raptors thing wasn't even a thought a few weeks ago and here we are.

The front office has largely delivered on what they've promised. They've earned the benefit of the doubt IMO.

If they felt the price tag was too high there's a good chance it was.

 

I'm of the championship or bust mentality when we have a superstar with probably 2 good years left. I'm all for player development, just not in this scenario.

 

Like I said, I think we made a mistake. But only time will tell. At this point I'm ready to move on and see how we design our offense. As far as trades and roster moves we're pretty much all set till the deadline.

 

Season's already been salvaged honestly. Look, I understand we all wanted to end this with a superteam, but that was always a long shot. We've added a minimum of 13 to 15 wins in my opinion and should be a playoff team. I guarantee you no one, including Golden State will want to deal with us in the playoffs with Lebron.

This isn't cause for celebration but its also not time to panic either.

 

I'm of the championship or bust mentality when we have a superstar with probably 2 good years left. I'm all for player development, just not in this scenario.

 

I mean you have KCP at PF....

 

chip or bust is why we had the past 4yrs happen

 

Yeah. We made questionable moves for injured stars and it set the worst stretch in team history in motion

 

We were tanking, pretty obviously, with Scott at the helm and the lineups we put out.

Back then we didn't have the best player in the NBA with probably 2 elite seasons left in him. I get what the FO was thinking, but LeBron in year 16 >> LeBron in year 18. Plus with the young kid's value being at an all time high, now was the best time to trade for Leonard.

But we didn't, and it's fine. I'm just repeating myself so there's no point in further discussion. Let's see how the next season and offseason play out.

 

zo,kcp,wagner,deng, 1st for ibaka/leonard...ibaka inclusion gives tor an incentive since hes so terrible and overpaid

 

And yeah, I’m biased but I think the Spurs will regret not taking a couple of the kids.

I’m not ready to say any will be as good as or better than Kawhi.

I do think there’s a good chance at least one of them will be better than Demar.