Kawhi Leonard Discussion: “I’m A Snake Clipper Guy.”

Just trade him already, tired of this Kawhi BS. Derozan will cry after Pop yells at him and Kawhi won't be the player he once was. Good trade for both teams

 

Or it could be Dwight Howard 2.0 again...

Lakers traded for him, never got anything back in return when he walked.

Who’s to say Kawhi decides he doesn’t want to play second fiddle to LeBron which Shams/Wright reported a few days ago, and then Kawhi just leaves for New York or Brooklyn where he spent all his time recuperating last season and who’s Uncle actually is from there?

Lakers should stand pat. See if Kawhi can return 100% again from his serious injury, be a top 5 or top 10 player again. Then in 2019 go shopping for him or any of the other 9 all-stars in the market while still having all the young core still intact.

 

Who in the 2019 class does this fanbase thing we can get??

KD and Klay aren't leaving a dynasty. Butler and Kyrie want to team up in the Eastern conference. That leaves us with Love and Kemba Walker.

We are walking a VERY dangerous line with not trading for Leonard right now. The raptors will contend in the East with Leonard, be able to offer him the most money, and will show him a ton of love as a fanbase. Leonard wants anywhere but San Antonio right now and I wouldn't be surprised to see him resign there.

We literally just saw this happen with Paul George, who was even flirting with the Lakers while he was on the Thunder, and lost in the first round to a team led by a rookie. Does everyone really have that much of a short term memory???

 

We don't contend with a 35 year old LeBron, a borderline all star (Walker, Love) and the young core, unless Brandon Ingram makes SERIOUS strides in the next 2 years. And looking at how raw he is now, he probably needs twice that timeframe.

 

Dangerous line? Kawhi missed 73 games last season and was borderline average player, not even close to top 30.

Even Woj’s article today quoted GM’s saying they’re not sure Kwahi will ever be the same again.

Trading for him now is more of a “dangerous line”.

 

Who from the below list can we add to this team right now, not counting KD, Klay, or Leonard, that will make us better than GSW:

Carmelo Anthony OKC SF 34 16 UFA $24,812,936
DeAndre Jordan DAL C 30 11 UFA $24,100,000
Chandler Parsons MEM SF 29 8 UFA $23,609,631
Wesley Matthews DAL SG 31 10 UFA $17,515,007
Enes Kanter NYK C 26 8 UFA $17,515,007
Klay Thompson GSW SG 28 8 UFA $17,244,863
Tobias Harris LAC SF 25 8 UFA $16,000,000
Trevor Ariza PHX SF 33 15 UFA $15,000,000
DeMarre Carroll BKN SF 31 10 UFA $14,500,000
Taj Gibson MIN PF 33 10 UFA $14,000,000
Ricky Rubio UTH PG 27 8 UFA $13,750,000
Robin Lopez CHI C 30 11 UFA $13,503,875
Thaddeus Young IND PF 30 12 UFA $13,500,000
Nikola Vucevic ORL C 27 8 UFA $13,250,000
Tyson Chandler PHX C 35 18 UFA $13,000,000
J.J. Redick PHI SG 34 13 UFA $13,000,000
Jeremy Lin BKN PG 29 9 UFA $12,766,667
Kenneth Faried DEN PF 28 8 UFA $12,500,000
Marcin Gortat LAC C 34 12 UFA $12,000,000
Tyreke Evans IND SG 28 10 UFA $12,000,000
Kemba Walker CHA PG 28 8 UFA $12,000,000
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope LAL SG 25 6 UFA $12,000,000
Zach Randolph SAC PF 36 18 UFA $12,000,000
Austin Rivers WAS SG 27 7 UFA $11,825,000
Wilson Chandler PHI SF 31 12 UFA $11,625,000
Alec Burks UTH SG 26 8 UFA $10,500,000
Terrence Ross ORL SG 27 7 UFA $10,500,000
Bojan Bogdanovic IND SF 29 5 UFA $10,500,000
Rudy Gay SAS SF 31 13 UFA $10,087,200
Iman Shumpert SAC SG 28 8 UFA $10,000,000
Danny Green SAS SG 31 10 UFA $10,000,000
Darren Collison IND PG 30 10 UFA $10,000,000
Jared Dudley PHX SF 32 12 UFA $10,000,000
Rajon Rondo LAL PG 32 13 UFA $9,000,000
Jerryd Bayless PHI PG 29 11 UFA $9,000,000
Kosta Koufos SAC C 29 11 UFA $8,219,750
JaMychal Green MEM PF 28 5 UFA $8,200,000
Markieff Morris WAS PF 28 8 UFA $8,000,000
Garrett Temple SAC SG 32 9 UFA $8,000,000
Darrell Arthur DEN PF 30 11 UFA $7,666,667
Nikola Mirotic NOP PF 27 5 UFA $7,500,000
Al-Farouq Aminu POR SF 27 9 UFA $7,500,000
Cory Joseph IND PG 26 8 UFA $7,472,500
Dewayne Dedmon ATL C 28 6 UFA $7,050,000
Jeremy Lamb CHA SG 26 7 UFA $7,000,000
Boban Marjanovic DET C 29 4 UFA $7,000,000
Mario Hezonja NYK SG 23 4 UFA $6,500,000
Ishmael Smith DET PG 29 9 UFA $6,000,000
Wesley Johnson LAC SF 30 9 UFA $5,881,260
Patrick Beverley HOU PG 29 7 UFA $5,756,757
Anthony Tolliver MIN PF 33 12 UFA $5,750,000
Dwight Howard WAS C 32 15 UFA $5,337,000
DeMarcus Cousins GSW C 27 9 UFA $5,337,000
Ben McLemore MEM SG 25 6 UFA $5,330,000
Thabo Sefolosha UTH SF 34 13 UFA $5,250,000
Jason Smith WAS PF 32 11 UFA $5,225,000
Alexis Ajinca NOP C 30 9 UFA $5,050,000
Marcus Morris BOS PF 28 8 UFA $5,000,000
Mike Muscala ATL PF 27 6 UFA $5,000,000
Justin Holiday CHI SG 29 6 UFA $4,500,000
Lance Stephenson LAL SG 27 9 UFA $4,449,000
Ed Davis DAL PF 29 9 UFA $4,400,000
Jonas Jerebko UTH PF 31 9 UFA $4,100,000
Jose Barea DAL PG 34 13 UFA $4,000,425
Jodie Meeks WAS SG 30 10 UFA $3,372,250
Troy Daniels PHX SG 26 6 UFA $3,333,336
Ekpe Udoh UTH PF 30 7 UFA $3,280,000
Elfrid Payton NOP PG 24 5 UFA $2,700,000
Reggie Bullock DET SF 27 6 UFA $2,500,000
Manu Ginobili SAS SG 40 17 UFA $2,500,000
Jeff Green WAS SF 31 12 UFA $2,393,887
Raymond Felton OKC PG 34 14 UFA $2,393,887
JaVale McGee LAL C 30 11 UFA $2,393,887
Jose Calderon DET PG 36 14 UFA $2,393,887
Derrick Rose MIN PG 29 10 UFA $2,176,260
Omri Casspi MEM SF 30 9 UFA $2,165,481
Darius Miller NOP SF 28 5 UFA $2,152,500
Mike Scott LAC PF 30 7 UFA $1,893,447
Tyler Zeller MIL C 28 7 UFA $1,821,740
Michael Carter-Williams HOU PG 26 6 UFA $1,757,429
Nik Stauskas POR SG 24 5 UFA $1,621,415
Kevon Looney GSW SF 22 4 UFA $1,567,007
Salah Mejri DAL C 32 4 UFA $1,567,007
Emeka Okafor NOP C 35 12 UFA $1,518,558
Wayne Selden MEM SG 23 3 UFA $1,428,781
Richaun Holmes PHI PF 24 4 UFA $1,292,976
Trey Burke NYK PG 25 6 UFA $1,289,588
DeAndre Liggins NOP SG 30 6 UFA $1,191,568
Brandon Jennings MIL PG 28 10 UFA $1,176,857
Dwight Buycks DET PG 29 4 UFA $1,174,340
T.J. McConnell PHI PG 26 4 UFA $1,117,908
Spencer Dinwiddie BKN PG 25 5 UFA $967,911
MarShon Brooks MEM SG 29 5 UFA $853,882

 

I've posted earlier about how his injury (quad tendonitis) isn't that serious. And if we do trade for him, we get a medical evaluation, so that point is moot.

Also, look at how healthy our young guys were last year. Ingram is seriously underweight and missed a lot of games. Same with Ball. It's not like they are injury free.

 

That all but confirms this is a done deal.

f***

 

If Kawhi was back to his all-star self teams would be having a bidding war. But guess what? There is none.

Even the Spurs don’t want to offer him the supermax until he plays a game for them.

Kawhi could end up being Brandon Roy for all we know (or more like “don’t know”).

 

Do you even know what his injury is?

And like I said, we get a medical evaluation upon agreeing to a trade, so I don't see how this is a problem. Plus, with the questionable health of our young guys, it's not even a debate, imo.

 

Medical evaluations mean diddly squat. Being cleared because you’re 100% healthy does not mean you’ll be the same type of player like you were before.

Did you read the latest Woj article today?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ni-camp-las-vegas-next-week-according-sources

There's an eagerness among prospective teams to see Leonard on the floor before committing significant trade assets to him. Rival executives had previously considered Leonard a top five player in the NBA prior to last season, but he didn't play to that level in his brief nine-game regular season return as he continued to recover from the quadriceps injury.

There's no mechanism with which to measure the quad injury's impact on Leonard's game until he returns in the regular season, but teams are forced to consider those uncertainties when discussing trade terms with the Spurs. What they're willing to offer in a trade - and then pay annually on a max-contract extension to re-sign Leonard - is different for a Top 5 player than it would be if Leonard's injury turns him into, say, a Top 12 or a Top 20 player.

There's little, if anything, teams will witness at a national team mini-camp that can begin to answer questions about Leonard's fitness to become an All-NBA level performer again. Still, it can be visual confirmation on the basics.

"His (physical) can tell us he's healthy again, but it cannot tell us if he's gone from a top five player to a Top 15 or Top 30," one GM told ESPN.

The Spurs haven't allowed prospective trade partners to talk directly with Leonard, nor his representation --- and it's unlikely that permission will be granted without an agreement in principle on a deal to acquire Leonard - if even then. In most NBA deals, no medical information is exchanged until an agreement on trade parameters is reached.

 

You clearly don't understand tendinopathy. I've actually had the exact injury and rehabbed it myself. I would recommend the following reading:


https://www.painscience.com/articles/pain-is-weird.php
https://www.painscience.com/articles/repetitive-strain-injuries.php

Instead of crying "injury" - learn a little bit more about the problem at hand and let's have an intelligent discussion.

 

Go tell all the NBA GM’s then since you know so much more than they do

 

Appeals to authority are a dumb argument. We clearly knew better than Mitch and Jim when we were all against the Mozgov and Deng contracts. Come on now...

 

This is the best news that can happen because we all knew Kawhi was getting traded to the east, the spurs will not help us. No matter what. Kawhi going to the cold place known as Toronto Canada is better than going to Philly, clippers, C Bags etc. He'll still be a free agent next year and I'm sure if he really wants to be here it'll happen next year without gutting our very talented and underrated assets.

 

Our championship contention ability has significantly decreased. Unless we sign him in FA, we are f***ed.

 

Kawhi is no Pauline!

 

Your argument is you know more about Kawhi’s season ending injury than the Spur’s own doctors do. Easy peasy.