Kawhi Leonard Discussion: “I’m A Snake Clipper Guy.”

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  1. tada

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    None of what you guys are saying makes much sense to me.

    1. Kawhi demands a trade to LA
    2. Everyone else is offering a bag of chips
    3. We have the leverage but we give them a potential star in Ingram

    OK :wasntme:
     
  2. Khmrp

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    i realize what happened with pg could happen with leonard too but hes NOT the only available fa in 19'....19 fa is full of big names from klay to butler ,etc.
     
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    Potential at the moment. Lebron is 33. Lakers would be able to win a title this year if they trade BI for Kawhi.

    You wait, you risk losing Kawhi. It's one of those things you just dont know.
     
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    Correct, but Kawhi and Lebron is the best combo from the other guys. The only one better would be AD and Lebron.
     
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    It's a risk I take because it's overpaying imo. We need to keep our future Big 3 in Lonzo, Kuzma and Ingram to compete with Philly and C Bags after Lebron is done.
     
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    This. We've got to give something up and if it cost us BI to get Kawhi, that's a deal I make easily as long as Kawhi is healthy. I love BI and I think he's going to have a very good career, but if we can get Kawhi in right now, why wouldn't we?

    My maximum offer is something like Ingram, Hart, Zubac, 2019 1st, 2021 1st leaving in some combination with Deng (probably rerouted) for Kawhi.

    I know it'd be a dream to add Kawhi while keeping all the young players, but we thought the same of George. I'd rather have Kawhi in the hand right now than wait and take our chances. It's possible Kawhi finds a home elsewhere and we pick up a different FA next summer, but I'd rather not take the chance. If we give up what I framed as "the max", we still have:

    Lonzo/Rondo/(Caruso)
    Caldwell-Pope/Stephenson/(Newman)
    Kawhi/Mykhailiuk
    LeBron/Kuzma
    McGee/Wagner

    A deal of-

    Atlanta in: Deng/2019 1st/2021 1st
    San Antonio in: Schroder/Ingram/Zubac/Hart
    Lakers in: Kawhi

    That works for all teams I think. San Antonio gets young, competitive pieces. Atlanta gets two 1sts for a bad contract and money they're not using (I think it's peculiar they're still quiet). Lakers get the centerpiece to pair with LeBron.

    After that, we actually would still have about 9 million to spend (Lance and McGee signed last to save room). Sign Lopez for maybe 7 million on a one-year deal. Svi to a long-term 3 year deal. Veteran minimum to Channing Frye.

    Lonzo/Rondo/(Caruso)
    Caldwell-Pope/Stephenson/(Newman)
    Kawhi/Mykhailiuk/Wayne Ellington?
    LeBron/Kuzma/Frye
    Lopez/McGee/Wagner/O'Quinn?

    Why wait? I like Ingram, but ^ that team right there is a 100% legitimate threat to Golden State this year while still maintaining plenty of flexibility for the next few years. Lonzo, Kuzma, Wagner, Mykhailiuk are all very young pieces. Kawhi just turned 27 years old, it's not like we're getting an aging player.
     
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    I would also prefer to wait for Leonard instead of gutting the team.

    With that said... Kawhi is a top 3 NBA player and an MVP candidate. Those type of guys usually are never on the block especially in their prime years.

    Every decade there are like 2 of those trades around the league. Last one I remember was probably KG going to Boston more than a decade ago. If you miss out, the backlash and the ramifications are huge.

    If it was just BI.. I would do that in a second. He probably isn't going to like to come of the bench just as Kuzma will hate it.

    You need to find 30-35 minutes for these guys.
     
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    I'm making the move for Kawhi now to prevent any butthurt PG type feelings. I would miss Ingram so much, but Kawhi is worth it. We just don't know completely that Ingram is a star yet. Kawhi is already a star on both sides of the ball. It's just too tempting.
     
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    I mean, if Lonzo and Kuz pan out as they should, we then would have Zo, Kuz and Kawhi who would still probably be only 31 when Lebron's contract is up, and then we can go for another big fish to play with those three. AD? KAT? Bamba? (because all ORL centers come here after being drafted there).
     
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    True, but we have Ingram locked up for another 6 years, so your argument is valid IF Kawhi is 100% healthy AND he agrees to an extension. Remember, there's a Dwight Howard for every Paul George. Kawhi could bolt on us.
     
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    Agreed. I would make the move for Kawhi, but he's got to agree to the extension.
     
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    I love BI too, and he'll definitely be a budding star, but the the aspect of already knowing Kawhi's talents (I really don't think he's that hurt) playing with Lebron is just far too enticing for me, and hopefully enough for Kawhi to resign.
     
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    What if he changes his mind and bolts after a year with us? Can Spurs resign him (not to that supermax though) and then trade him to us?
     
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    I hope so too, but there's so much politics involved that I'm not comfortable in taking chances at this point. I mean honestly, who would have thought that PG would resign with OKC and we'd lose Randle for nothing?
     
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    Bron's gotta handoff the keys to someone after Kob essentially handed it to him with that welcome tweet and welcome media tour.

    Kawhi, a local So-Cal kid, is the perfect candidate...him or Dame haha.

    Bottomline: Kawhi needs to be in a Laker uni and if you consider BI's contract, next off-season is our last opportunity to play free agency, before he's in a similar spot that Jules was in this summer (btw, absolutely blown opportunity there and allowing Jules to walk away for nothing is the first legitimate L our new FO has experienced imho).

    I love BI and if it were up to me, I would do Kuz/Hart/Zu/LA 1sts for Kawhi before BI...but if we can strike a deal just using BI and hording our other assets for AD, then you absolutely have to do it (as much as it will pain me to do so). Kawhi, Zo, BI, Lance, Rondo on the wings (aka f*** a splashbro when you can #SmashBro) would be a dream, but replacing BI with the cost effective team friendly deals of Hart/Kuz still gets the job done.
     
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    Ryan Hollins not afraid to name his sources. :D
     
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    im fine losing ingram but he doesnt need to go to the bench if kl is acquired via fa, sg/sf spot isnt defined as it was back in the day, hell freaking 6 6 draymond plays C. And Kuzma will still be relegated to the bench with or without leonard n ingram.....im still preferring to move on from ball, especially if a journeyman like Rondo can overtake him for starting pg spot. In that instance, ball wont even get the tyoe of pt he'll need to develope correctly
     
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    also for those complaining that mgmt needs to pay the price to get it done, the price is kuzma,ingram,hart and 2 1st with 2 1st swaps....like wtf kind of asking price is that? thats like a pkg youd offer for a prime lebron with 4yrs left on his contract
     
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    Pretty sure Woj and at least one other source have reported that the whole Kawhi/Clippers thing is bogus, and the Lakers remain his only preferred destination.
     
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    Woj actually went on to say that Leonard wants the Clippers even less than he previously did because he doesn't want to be on that team while Lebron is on the Lakers.
     

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