Julius Randle Discussion: MIP

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  1. lakerjones

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    And don't forget Dirk as well! Nowitzki had nothing but praise for Randle as well.
     
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    So did one of the coaches we just played. I can't remember who it was... Could have been Orlando's coach.
     
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    Ty Lue was saving Kang
    From abuse by Randle
    Guess he didn't think
    It was something he could handle

    :Laugh:
     
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    My piece on Julius Randle's passing problem: http://www.lakersnation.com/julius-...-his-playmaking-skills-for-lakers/2016/03/17/

    For the record, I think he's going to be just fine. It is alarming to see his passing statistics sitting so far below guys like Young, Bass, and Nance though.


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    Rumor has it that when the Los Angeles Lakers and Sacramento Kings were talking a DeMarcus Cousins deal last June, the Lakers carefully weighed their assets. They were willing to part with their number two pick and possibly Jordan Clarkson, if need be. They were not, however, willing to include Julius Randle.

    Months later, during a preseason game in Ontario, California, we saw why.


    It was early October, and the Lakers had just returned to Southern California from an intense training camp in Hawaii. The Toronto Raptors had come to town for a tune-up game, and both franchises were hoping to get a little practice running their sets.

    It wouldn’t be pretty, but preseason games rarely are.

    In the third quarter, Toronto wing DeMar DeRozan whirled his way to the rim, attempting a shot over the outstretched arm of the ill-fated Robert Upshaw. Randle, who had stuck to mid-range shooter Luis Scola at the free throw line, saw his chance.

    He dropped into the paint as soon as it was clear DeRozan wasn’t going to kick the ball out, and then out-leapt and out-muscled center Bismack Biyombo for the rebound.

    It was a fairly standard play for a power forward, but then things got crazy.

    In this situation, most 6’9”, 250-pound players would hand the ball off to a guard and plod down court to set up the offense. Instead, Randle turned and took off, accelerating surprisingly quickly for a player his size.

    Toronto’s DeMarre Carroll, a highly sought-after defensive ace who had just been poached from the Atlanta Hawks that summer, smelled blood in the water. A seemingly out-of-control big trying to dribble the down court is easy prey, and he was all too happy to take advantage.

    Carroll lunged for the ball, expecting to teach the young Randle a lesson about over-confidence.

    He got nothing but air.

    In one motion, Randle crossed over from left to right, baiting Carroll in, and then dribbled the ball behind his back when Carroll reached. The celebrated defensive stopper Toronto had coveted had been duped.

    At mid-court and still moving at full speed, Randle then fired a pass across his body to the wing, hitting Kobe Bryant in stride for a pull-up three. Bottom. Crowd goes wild.




    Just a day before Bryant had called Randle “Lamar Odom in Zach Randolph’s body” — a nod to his impressive combination of physical strength and versatility.

    That night in Ontario, it appeared that Bryant’s words would be prophetic, and that the Lakers had found themselves one heck of a player.

    Fast forward to today. Five months have passed since the game against the Raptors, and Randle is still turning heads.

    He leads the Lakers in rebounding by a large margin with an average of 10.1 per game, good for 11th in the league. Aside from the Timberolves’ Karl-Anthony Towns, every other player ahead of Randle in the rebounding department spends the bulk of their minutes at center. As something of an undersized power forward, Randle uses his strength and savvy to beat larger players to the ball, which is a credit to his aggressive mindset.

    Lakers coach Byron Scott recently told Broderick Turner of the Los Angeles Times:

    “He’s got a Dennis Rodman mentality. When the ball comes into his area, it’s his.”

    Randle has also worked to improve his finishing at the rim, once an area of major concern. Since the All Star break, he is converting at an acceptable 59 percent from within five feet, a marked improvement from the 51 percent he shot earlier in the season.

    However, in spite of Randle’s success, the impressive display of skill that he showed on that night in October feels like nothing more than a distant memory. As some areas of his game have improved, others have all but disappeared.

    He continues to push the ball in transition from time to time, and still moves with a quickness and ferocity that few can match. While playing against the Cleveland Cavaliers last week, Randle exploded past Kyrie Irving and hammered home a frightening dunk that showcased just how explosive he can be.

    Unfortunately, what has become noticeably absent is his passing. These days, when Randle does take off on a fast break, his head is down and intent on getting to the rim at all cost. He frequently misses open teammates, to the point where the Lamar Odom comparisons now seem off-base.

    “When he steps on the floor, if you play him 25 minutes or more, it’s a double-double… he’s that good as far as rebounding the ball.” -Byron Scott

    While Odom was perhaps over-generous, Randle has gone the opposite direction, becoming a black hole offensively.

    In the halfcourt, he tends to look for isolation situations so that he can use his quickness and agility to beat his man one-on-one. That’s a great weapon to have, but earlier in the season, we saw him drawing defenders in and kicking out to open shooters, something that has also become increasingly rare.

    In fact, since the All Star break, Randle ranks dead last on the team in percentage of passes that become assists.

    In other words, a higher percentage of Nick Young’s passes turn into assists than Julius Randle’s.

    Let that sink in for a second.

    If someone had suggested that would be the case back in October, they would have been committed to Arkham, yet here we are.

    Last Tuesday against the Kings, he routinely missed open teammates, instead attempting to drive the ball to the rim himself. On this play, he ignores both Jordan Clarkson and Larry Nance Jr. in order to attack two defenders:





    It’s a marked change from the Randle we saw at the beginning of the season.

    Of course, even with the ball sticking in his hands, there is no doubt that overall Randle is playing better basketball than he was earlier in the year. He still needs to work on his outside shot and defense in the off-season, but assuming he does that, he still has a very bright future.

    So why harp on his hibernating playmaking skills?

    Simply put, the Lakers don’t have the luxury of shortcomings. They have the second-worst record in the league and desperately need to right the ship if they hope to stay in the spotlight post-Kobe.

    They need to rebuild around young talent, but Los Angeles still owes two future first round picks as a result of the regrettable Steve Nash and Dwight Howard trades. This limits the amount of opportunities they will have to draft potential stars, making it all the more crucial that the players they do obtain completely fulfill their potential.

    For Randle, that means not only rebounding and scoring, but also making his teammates better by setting them up for easy looks. These are all things that he has the ability to do right now, but it appears that as his finishing has improved, his passing has taken a back seat. As a result, a player who once looked extremely versatile has become somewhat limited, focusing almost all of his energy on rebounding and attacking the basket.

    Those are excellent areas to target, but there are a lot of power forwards who excel in those areas. On the other hand, there are very, very few who can handle the ball and pass the way that Randle can. It’s those skills that truly set him apart.

    Julius Randle is already a very good player, but he’s going to need to bring back some of the playmaking flair that we saw in October if he wants to live up to the lofty expectations the Lakers have for him.
     
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    I know the stats say otherwise but I feel he's less of a black hole and moving the ball much better. Perhaps the lower assist numbers are due to a lower usage rate? I don't know but I like how he's playing.

    BTW in that fast-break clip I think he made the right decision to attack the basket. A pass to Nance would have been difficult because of it's angle, and the smaller defender never fully committed.
     
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    What an incredibly lazy rhyme,
    And a regrettable waste of my time.
    It seems that there is a shortage of words,
    Spent on a scam that you have set forth.
     
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    I think Julius will be fine. His passing has improved. I know the numbers may not reflect that, but watching him he isn't just going a full head of steam all the time. He's playing at a better pace, being more controlled on his attacks, and he's more willing to throw the ball back out if he doesn't have the shot. He needs to continue to work, but I see no reason to think he won't.
     
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    Sadly, the main three of our young core had terrible games last night. Julius rebounded well as usual but had a horrid shooting night and sucked on D. Clarkson and DAR the same story. What's happening right now? Clarkson and DAR seem to be the most effected lately. Is it just having MWP out there that's messing their rhythm up? Is it the return of Lou? Did they hear that Boron is coming back and are just in the dumps because of it? Well, at least they had that one nice sequence together with that sweet pass from Clarkson to a cutting backdoor DLO for the reverse layup.
     
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    The only explanation I can think of is that now that our young core has proven to the world that they have the goods, they're out there tanking for Simmons. It would go a long way to explain how Russell, Clarkson and Randle combined for 50-32 shooting against one of the worst teams in the league. And they're smart for doing it. They want to add one more young, all-star caliber player to the roster. It's just a shame our older guys can't set aside their pride.
     
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    No the players are not actively tanking and if they were then I don't want them.

    The players cannot control an organization that wants to lose. That's not on them and I wouldn't blame them for it. But players that want to lose? Players that are playing to lose games I don't want. I want guys that are so competitive they're willing to upset the apple cart and go win games whether or not the organization wants wins. I want guys who fight to the end. I refuse to believe that our young players are tanking. Thas disgusting.
     
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    Well, this goes back to the age old argument over the merits of tanking. Some people approve, and some people don't. Some people would just as soon do it if it meant we could get a better draft pick and rebuild quicker, and others think playing to lose violates a sacred code of competitive ethics. There's no right answer, it's just a matter of opinion. But either our players are tanking or they aren't, whether we choose to believe it or not. And it's really hard for me to think of an alternate explanation as to why three players who are clearly talented are sh**ting the bed against the worst teams in the league down the strecth. Nobody will be complaining about games like last night's if we get to keep our pick.
     
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    LOL our players are not tanking. It's called playing for a bad coach that will pull them for any little mistake. This was the same thing that happened when they were benched. They would often go through the motions out there on the court because they didn't get to play a whole lot and if they did they'd get benched for trying to take over a game. Combined that with teams able to focus in more on them because they're playing with World Peace and Hibbert and it's not hard to see why they're struggling. Lou and Huertas playing more than D'Angelo and Jordan. Byron's ridiculous lineups. Most young guys would struggle with constantly getting pulled and not having enough space to really penetrate and make things happen.
     
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    not sure why I always tune in for randle's stinkers, but holy balls, that was nasty. couple of those shots he put up in the paint seemed like a practical joke on the fans.
     
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    No there's a very clear difference between an organization tanking and the players tanking. I've come to terms with the obvious truth that the once proud Laker franchise known as one of, if not THE, premiere franchises in all of North American sports is trying to lose games. There's no way you have the two seasons we just did without trying to lose. No way.

    However, if the PLAYERS are trying to lose then I don't want them. What you're suggesting is they're going out there with the express desire to lose basketball games. No competitor should ever do that. Ever. If the TEAM wants to lose games, they can do it by oh I don't know... controlling minutes of talented players, overplaying less talented players, inserting players randomly into the starting lineup, dedicating all time and energy to an aging star, run archaic offensive sets, fail to adapt to modern basketball on offense or defense, fail to draw up plays out of timeouts that are effective, and fail to make roster moves to benefit the team.

    The PLAYERS though should go out with pride every night in the effort they put on the floor. They should not be trying to lose games, that's unacceptable. Now if you're saying these guys are young so they've checked out mentally after a grueling season, then I might buy that. I might buy that they stopped caring as much, but TRYING to lose is a different animal. There's a line between Julius, D'Angelo, and Jordan turning the ball over because they're careless and the three of them purposely turning the ball over.
     
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    ^^ Yeah, there's no way in the world that Julius, Clarkson and DAR are trying to lose. And this was the first instance that I've seen them ALL have bad performances in the same game. Julius has been pretty darned consistent over these past couple months - his stats bare that out. DAR is going to have some ups and downs as he is a rookie and that's to be expected. Clarkson is the one that is a bit surprising as he's been cold for about a week plus. And before that he'd been our most consistent player pretty much all year. He might be running out of gas, might be a bit drained from all of the losses all year long, might be the realization that this awful coach might be back, or maybe he's just in a slump which happens. I just haven't seen all three of them have such a miserable game before, so it was weird. Hopefully they bounce back tonight.
     
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    Did not see last game. But after they had risen up and played so well in beating GS and against a couple of other good teams in that short stretch, and then it meant nothing to their coach who started up with the same s*** once Lou was available again and now Huertas .... they're again tentative. Plus might be a little bit of definitely not giving it their best energy and effort for this a-hole of a coach to the point they contribute to some wrongheaded decision by the FO to bring him back. That has to be their worst nightmare.
     
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    You guys are overthinking. Our starters are playing like crap. They'll bounce back. That's all there is to it.
     
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    One of Julius' best all around games. Didn't hold the ball, made some nice passes, great on the board like usual, played outstanding D on Z-Bo, and finished well at the basket. I love this kid. He's gonna be so good when he develops his offensive game some more.
     
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    Yeah he had a heck of a game. Boarding as usual, some nice scores, stood his ground against Randolph on D a few times, and maybe best of all some really nice passing for the 5 assists. He said post game they were crowding him, and he was finding open guys, that's growth to me, instead of maybe going 1 on 3 like earlier in the season.
     
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    Excellent bounce back game for all of our young guns! Julius had himself a very nice game. Superb rebounding, sick shooting percentage (6 of 8) with some very nice finishes inside, a patented coast to coast and some killer dimes. 13, 14, and 5 gets it done for yet another double double.

    Randle had a few defensive lapses that I didn't love, but he made up for it with 3 blocks (!) and he had that sweet steal as well.
     
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