Really? I'm thinking 14-16 million. 17 million, though; I might bite because I think we're close on this...
12-15 is my number even before Bobby Marks projected it. You give a player what the market dictates. The only outliers in that equation are legitimate stars that deserve the max and if not for cap restraints, possibly deserve more. LaBron is a true max player unequivocally. Jules and George are not. Mintz knows George wants LA...Mintz knows the market will be frigid this summer. Get both your clients paid in a LA market that can do wonders for their respective brands all while playing championship saviors in helping LaBron. That type of experience has no price tag. George hopefully opts into his 20.7M player option and in the process sacrifices 10M from his max. Jules should be offered 12-15M and that sheds another 10M off his true max. LaBron absolutely deserves 35.4M, yet I hope he's open to a haircut off the top of his max. Why? Cause you round out the roster and go play for a title from the jump. We got no time to develop this potential super team roster. We need to go get a title and the best way is to create a deep team instead of being top heavy and just throwing money at our top 3 players. If Jules wants more than 12-15M in a frigid market, go find the highest bidder and be the top paid athlete on that roster while LA goes and finds his replacement to go win titles. I'm completely fine with that. Dude hasn't done anything to justify max pay. So LA shouldn't and better not throw money at him preemptively just to deter other teams from offering more. Nah, play the market...and if they're forced to match a high number, then they most certainly will. And for those interested in Jules remaining in LA....its best for him to have a team friendly deal. Cause if LA is forced to throw money at him to retain that type of asset, you best believe he''ll be in every possible trade rumor there is from that point forward. LA will probably match any deal, but if it s a bad deal, then he's on the trade block from day 1. We won't lose him for nothing. We'll keep him at a higher number and then deal his a** away no doubt! He's got a much better chance to stick on a team friendly deal.
If he gets an outrageous offer, I hope we sign and trade him to get something back. Losing him for nothing would be a travashamockery.
Team friendly deal would make him even easier to trade, overpaid contracts make it difficult. Meet in the middle at 15-16 n give him the highest possible trade kicker available, that way he'll feel more wanted n also not jaded if he is dealt as itll be more $ in his pocket
Team friendly deals would be in higher demand from other teams...but also in demand from his home team...us. Why would we trade a double double guy that plays well off our stars if he's on a good non-cap impeding deal? You can't lose an asset like Jules for nothing, so if we're forced to match Jules at a price point that is not comfortable to us, you best believe he's on the trade block for the remainder of that contract. What is he going to do? Sit out and refuse to play for us if we match a max offer sheet? It would be harder to trade that contract, but if a team offered him that max deal then there are probably other dummy teams out there for us to trade him to. The only way I see us not matching an offer is if it entails that Jules has a no trade clause. And those are hard to come by....Steph was just made the Dubs designated super max veteran this last summer and even he didn't get a no trade clause. If Jules wants stability for his family, then its better for him to get nearly triple of what he's getting paid this season (5M vs 15M) and stay in LA, rather than try to go for 4 or 5 times the amount (20-25M) and be on constant alert to being uprooted out of LA for the foreseeable future. During negotiations you start at 12M and end at 15M per. If George and Bron are willing to cut off of their salary, then the cap allows us to offer 3-6M more for Jules...but I rather round out a solid bench than give that money to Jules anyways. They should all shed off their max deals to bring in a deep roster cause we all know Jeanie and ownership is willing to spend as long as we make multiple trips into June starting next year.
If I am Randle and I am offered 12mil, I slam the door on you that very moment. Just go look up the list of people making 12 or less, not on rookie contracts. Than list of people making around 18 (which is what I think JR will get). Than talk to me. EDIT: and yes, Dallas will offer more, IMO. In any case, you don't lowball your best player. Not a good look.
Lowball? Let him slam the door then. We just yell out, "we'll match" and then that door opens right back up real quick. Market dictates price. After lawyering up and trying to reach settlements so that he doesn't have to see the inside of a courtroom, if Cuban still wants to throw max type money at Jules, then more power to him. We'll hesitantly match and Jules jumps right onto the trade block from that point. He's missed an entire year. He's been one of our young core players and "best" player for the worst era in Lakers basketball. Yet he's going to catch feelings for a frigid market dictated offer? Go help us win something first before you start to leverage a max deal. Till then, take what we offer or go find more elsewhere that we'll match and that will relegate you to trade rumor purgatory for the remainder of that contract.
Vasashi you’re so insensitive You make valid points, but there is a human element to all of this that can’t be avoided. Ultimately the market does dictate the price, but hopefully that process of bringing that up (Go get an offer and we’ll match it) is done tactfully. He doesn’t play well when he’s brooding-that we know.
What our FO has proven is that they have a human element. From our trades to our buyouts/waivers, we've largely looked out for all our exiting players. I'm not saying we d*** him over, but you can't try to leverage LA with nothing to stand on either. If Jules tries to force our hand, he's only going to hurt himself. Its better that he works with us seeing how his agent Mintz, has to make George also happy, who was apparently "hellbent" in getting back home to LA. We have the leverage in this particular case so if he's going to try to squeeze us for more money, he can expect some push back. Fans that want to pay Jules, don't even understand that he has a better chance of sticking in LA if he takes a team friendly deal. And lets not act like his family will struggle with 12-15M per. He's proven nothing to this point in terms of W-L. He's won no accolades to this point (All-star, all NBA, defensive team, rookie of the year, etc.). The FA circus that was 2016 is projected to be the exact opposite this summer which is why many speculated LouWill took the extension on a team friendly deal (MLE type money). He's a RFA and we have the ability to match. Worst case scenario, we hesitantly match a max type deal and he becomes our version of Biff. He's avg. 16 and 8 on 26.5 minutes per. Niko is avg 15 and 7 in similar minutes. Jules shoots at a higher percentage but then again takes no 3s. Niko takes 5 more 3s per game and shoots it at a 37% clip (that's obvious value in this offensive driven NBA climate). Niko turns the ball over less and draws less fouls. Niko shoots better from the line and avg 2 less attempts at the line compared to Jules even though Jules lives in the paint. Niko has a better +/- than Jules and their defensive statistics are similar (blks, stls). Niko makes 12.5M next year. There are so many more intangibles than just stats...so lets see how the market dictates this before we get too eager in throwing the kitchen sink at Jules. Aaron Gordon is the same age as Jules and is putting up similar numbers as Jules (although less efficiently) and other than the dunk contest, has done nothing to justify a max deal like Jules. Lets see how the market treats these 2 guys and its yet another benefit to us in that, teams won't push as hard on Jules knowing that there is an equivalent available for them to chase as a contingency.
You are exhausting... and there is no way you believe half the s*** you post. Especially in that post of yours above. Mirotic on a current contract as a counterpoint? I am done arguing with you. No use.
I think he believes it but it's all subjective, and time will ultimately tell You literally can prove anything you want with stats if you are willing to slant them enough to your favor. For instance, I can show LLLLL is declining, not worth the max, and actually sucks. I won't take the time to do it, but I could if I felt like Vasash-ing you.
I come to a discussion board, expecting discussion...and when it comes to discussing, there's fatigue. Hmm....me thinks you haven't mastered Zen just yet. I guess you and Sirron got this confused with diss-cussion. In that case, go enjoy ihatelebronjames.com and ihatelukewalton.com. I certainly won't be there exhausting you guys. But in terms of dis-cussing the Lakers, if y'all don't like what I believe is best for our team, f*** off! Btw, in my exhaustive post, I did mention LouWill on a re-up. That's not a current contract. Heck Niko's deal had to be agreed upon for next season's 12.5M before he got traded. Niko and the Bulls agreed to it and the deal was consummated. Again, that's a team and Niko's agent agreeing to how his stats dictated his market value for this coming summer.
oooooooohhhh, now I understand. Discussing = writing books Me? I'm 3 words and a gif kind of a guy. Don't expect a reply from me when you write your essays. I try to keep this fun, try not to think too hard, and look for the funny in everything. I do read your shorter posts, but if it exceeds 2 regular sized paragraphs? It's peace out. and for the record, it's: www.ihatelebron.com and www.fireluke.com Don't want folks going to the wrong sites now do we?
Man, go shut up and gif.fle. How can you be the most interesting man in the world and not be well read. #FakeNews #Sirronfulloffluff And btw, you try to keep it fun? Really? If you're trying to be funny, try harder. Deny it all you want, I know that cut you deep bro. Haha Spoiler: Sometimes they're sour, sometimes they're sweet Sirron's real profile pic. Still got love for you my dude, but I like to laugh more at at you than with you Hopefully you didn't read this last part cause its more than the 2-3 lines you're accustom to
Eric Pincus on his Podcast had Larry Coon on recently and Eric was talking about how to begin the year Randle and his agent were willing to sign a contact extension starting at $12 million/year. When I heard that... wow. I don't think gamble is the right word for what the Lakers did but they are going to have to pay between $17-20 Million/year now. Could have been a great deal but they were still unsure.
Nah, this is just for fun. I don't let anything get to me on here. I actually enjoy reading a lot of your back and forth with @therealdeal , but admit I'm just USUALLY not willing to engage at that level these days. Maybe when we have a winning team, etc, but until then, I keep it light hearted, and do some give and take with the fellas. You seem like a cool cat, so nothing is ever taken offense at. In the meantime, Ima just work on some gifs in my free time so they are ready when the perfect moment comes along....
I don't think it was about that as much as they knew they couldn't sign him early and retain the two max slots for this offseason. Even without the early extension, they could retain him. They explained what the deal was, and asked him to not take offense, play out the year, get his butt in shape, and show them what he could do. I'd say he's holding up his end of the deal quite well.
