Head Coach Frank Vogel Discussion: The Fall Guy

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  1. KareemtheGreat33

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    I feel like the older roster and current available players limit our 3rd quarter starts. But I blame it mostly on AD because of his soft beta approach this season.
     
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    Before tonight we were ranked 5th in 3 point shooting as a team.
     
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    Percentage or total? If percentage, I find that very hard to believe. Total, yeah, because it seems like half our shots are 3s.
     
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    Percentage at 36.4%. We also are one of the best 3pt shooting teams at home and one of the worst away. All down to Melo :D
     
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    Why is he talking about playing Nunn who has been injured all season? And THT? He started him literally his first game back.
     
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    I'm going to add this gripe too. Frank needs to pull a Phill Jackson here and start calling out the officiating. Lebron, Russ and AD get's hacked enitrely too much without a call. Look around the league, I don't see elite players absorbing as much contact without a call like all three of these guys. I'm not putting everything on the refs.. no, but they are damn sure swallowing a lot of whistles on contact with these guys IMO.
     
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    That is shocking to me. The eye test -- i would've guessed South of 25%.
     
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    Not sure before last game, but currently we are 11th in 3% and 19th in makes. Not the worst, and definitely better than I thought, but not title contending. Luckily, we have time and players are getting healthy.
     
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    Bulls were just a better team. We don't defend s*** and our attack is obvious, slow and pretty basic.

    It looks bad to the coaching team but they already proved their ability on defense, so it's either time or the players who's at fault.

    I also think our success lies on the defensive end. When you think about Lebron, Russ and AD, you think open court, lobs and layups, tons of points in the paint. That is easier if we defend well, get boards and stops consecutively. THT is the same breed. Ellington, Monk or Nunn can light it up with open 3s in that setup.

    So there's hope. I believe if we are a top5 defensive team we are the main contenders. If we are below 10 this team is crap and will probably never work
     
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    i agree. before the season, i knew our halfcourt offense was going to be a bit of a mess, even in best case scenarios. we need to be a top-5 (preferably top-1) defense to win a title.
     
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    He just isn't a very good offensive coach.

    We need LBJ back.
     
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    I don't know what to make out of the the defense numbers though. The Lakers are ranked 12th in the NBA in team defense, without some of the key defenders playing. Yet we are ranked next to last in opponents points in the paint. That would suggest to me that the perimeter defense isn't exactly terrible, but lack of size is a real problem.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/defense/?sort=OPP_PTS_PAINT&dir=-1
     
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    AD never like playing the 5 because he does not like getting hammered and I think he is afraid of hurting his achillies.
     
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    You know this is another thing where I wonder is it perception or reality. AD has played with a traditional center for most of his career and he's done just great. We won a title with Dwight and Javale playing center. I understand that he was dominant against teams that played small ball and all that. Yet I do remember that he had issues with teams that had size on the frontline, Toronto was a team that comes to mind, he really struggled both games against them. He had problems with Embiid and Drummond last season too. He had to sit out the next game with back spasms after playing those two back to back. I just wonder if this 5 stuff, is really all folks are making it out to be. He is a jump shooter, he doesn't really drive to the basket a lot. His back to the basket game has never been strong, so I question the idea that he needs this huge amount of "open space" to be effective. In general is it really best for the team? If he is the only big on the floor, our defense suffers IMO, he's not able to defend on the wing as well, because he has to get back in the paint. If he gets caught in the paint against a true center, he holds his own, but it's definitely not like he is shutting them down by any stretch of the imagination. They are still scoring against him. From what I've seen so far this season, teams that have size on the front court, don't go small at all to matchup with us, they punish the little guys we have on the court with AD instead. It's not some magic thing IMO, it works against teams that play a certain way well, but everybody aren't playing that way.
     
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    that screams lack of rim protection which is odd when you have Dwight, AD, and DAJ.

    or soft

    or cant' stop penetration

    or maybe all of it
     
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    I'm confused..I thought it meant that the post ups aren't that effective for us? It went on to say that basically AD is not scoring efficiently in the paint, when he gets the rock down low.
     
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