Head Coach Frank Vogel Discussion: The Fall Guy

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  1. LaVarBallsDad

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    Fair enough
     
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    vasashi17,Yesterday at 11:48 AM
     
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    Unless you have some folks on ignore here (like some people do), look above that post. #lookie-lou

    In related news, might be that time for an annual eye exam.

    Since I’m such a nice guy, I actually took the liberty to call in for you and they have an opening at 11:48AM.
     
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    We're 19-3.. wowza.
     
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    That defense last night was completely stifling. It was the best I've seen all season. The blocks, steals, run outs on shooters . . . Wow! And AD led the pace on that end as usual. Dwight was monstrous and Caruso chipped in with high energy. McGee was in the mix. Lebron intercepting passes as well. It was beautiful.
     
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    Caruso DPOY?

    :Carusoshaka::Vogelshocked:
     
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    I wonder how all the Rondo haters will explain this
     
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    Kuzma better tho

    and

    both

    are better than

    AD and Bron

    :LLLLLebronlaughing::Adlaughing:
     
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    Playing defense is infectious. LeBron respects AD enough to understand that he has to play better defense if AD is giving it his all on that end. Everyone is buying into the system led by AD. Last year, it felt like LeBron was filming an episode of Daddy Day Care.
     
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    Stats say trade’em.
     
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    hmmm...any stat that doesn't capture AD's absolute dominance on defense makes me nervous.
     
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    By the way. Let's just keep throwing the shade at the FO saying they whiffed on so many things while we are off to a historically good start. Including "our first 2 choices in Lue and Hollins".

    OR .... perhaps once the interviews started they liked Vogel a lot better than Hollins. AND the elephant in the room not subtle and very transparent is they valued, for what it's worth, a perhaps better shot at Giannis in 2 more years after this when he's up for free agency and KNOW from his comments, whatever his personal reasons are, that he loved Kidd.

    So the FO unlike according to SM, how we didn't do enough all year like the effing Clippers to stalk and court Leonard .... they want Kidd here just in case it helps a lot. Doesn't probably need to be as head coach. I mean they're not going to fire Vogel if we continue to compete for or win a ring or two.

    Well Lue didn't like that. Can't say as you can blame him having a reputed snake forced onto his staff. So he balked at the 3 years and declined. Vogel didn't. But you keep up with your whiffing on this and whiffing on that in the midst of a great season to peeps here who can't do ANYTHING about your amazing plans.
     
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    Lue is familiar with Bron and had dude running a 82 game schedule while going to the playoffs with his play book. He has more rapport with Bron to utilize him more efficiently. If your concern isn’t Bron’s health and our related title hopes, then that’s fine...just don’t try to minimize my opinion on it with your ridiculous armchair GM comments.

    As for the rest of your rant, understand this is a discussion board where various opinions are discussed.

    You advised me once that I should take my grievances to the FO so that they could do something about it. All I’m doing is voicing an opinion here to drive discussion. So let me return the favor.

    I advise that you go buy up as many Laker tickets as you can manage. Go to the games and bask in the environment that you’re looking for where cheers and high-fives are plentiful. You won’t find anybody there discussing the potential pitfalls this team could experience.

    s***, even if you run into me there, I won’t be discussing those topics there. Meanwhile on a discussion forum...
     
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    Vogel has done a great job. Period.
     
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    Vogel and Lue might have done a better job? Question mark?

    Anyways, Bron about to dropkick a tweet in 3...2...





    Hey Vogs, what you think about fillzing that empty chair next you, while Kidd fills up his water cup?
     
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    this just shows that players don't have the ability to be objective

    even the best of the best

    NY may have set anyone up for failure that coached there, but he knew what he was walking into as well.

    Guy still seems to be a player favorite though, so maybe he's better as an assistant vs being a head coach. Like Rambis.

    :Crazyartest:
     
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    Countless times repeated as if we didn't hear you already all those times and understand your opinion on them? Things the organization chose to do behind closed doors in their "war room" that you were not privy to and can't be changed? That grate like **** because you keep on about them non stop?
     
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    THT, whoops TNT has a bit of hip action...Caruso has some weird hare near or in his mouth, but bald eagles do as they do...Lavar (and his pop :p) are trash. Did I miss anything that you normally repeat?

    Okay rifle through the first several pages to see how highly we viewed Vogs over Lue during that moment in time. Vogs is doing a great job, but like Lue, you give dude superstars and well superstars do as they do.

    So what’s next for a coach if they can’t do much with the roster they’re given. Take care of your stars’ minutes. Vogs is doing that some and I’m happy with it, but still our offense has limitations without Bron. A better X&Os offensive coach could have helped there.

    Lastly, I dont need to be in the “war room” to be privy to their bulls***.

    “I think we're always open to listening to the player's voice,” says Pelinka. “But I do think as a principal with the Lakers, we do want the GM and the front office to be building rosters, and the coaches to doing the strategy. And I think it's important to empower people to do their job in their lane and not to be meddlesome. So we definitely stay away from that.”

    Yet our FO imposed Vogs take on JKidd. So Rob, cool story I guess.

    Speaking of meddling, Dolan, don’t try to snake our snake...



    As for taking your advice LT and trying to touch base with the FO to see if they would listen to me and start looking in the mirror for some personal growth and reflection...

    “What people write or what people say on the outside, I definitely respect people's views, but we don't really take that into account in how we make decisions here.”


    So it could be Rob telling me another one of his parables, but till I can call him out on his bulls*** again, I’ll just keep repeating it here. ;)
     
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    I’d love for Stephen A to be right about Kidd and NY. Never wanted him and be glad to wave him goodbye.
     
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