Well I would bet then, and Vogel is reputed to be excellent in this area, that if everyone was hearing about where they needed to improve on defense and other screw ups, that Westbrook should have gotten an earful too, while looking at how bad that crap he pulled in killing not one but two rallies .... looked. Brain fart disgusting. The thing about Vogel though is he continues to sell it well, the accountability for all, stars and role players, and I'm sure, just like he did with KCP in Vogel's first year and Bradley now, he lets Russ know he still believes in him. In other words does this kind of "calling them out" in the best possible way. That's all you can ask of him other than beginning to bring the consequences of less minutes to anyone that isn't getting it and being positive to team results in their play .... including RW.
Just wondering if he thinks his job is on the line, then why not bench Russ? If the locker room splinters, who cares? You're probably out of here if the team continues to flounder. I get the argument for not doing it, though.
Vogel is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t with the Westbrook situation. I think he probably get fired either way this summer. He shouldn’t be but the Lakers will be looking for a fall guy and it won’t be the players.
I agree and hate to lose him. I wish he would stopped playing Russ during crunch time. I had rather lose him for doing the right thing than for sitting on his hands.
Firing Vogel is the wrong move. I hate small ball but trading our defense for a declining athlete was not Vogel's fault. The trade was obviously horrendous from day 1. Russ was already severely declining and we saw it in the bubble when Russ went full ****** and lost his cool. Somehow Rob and LeBron decided to say hey, let's trade our defensive identity for a rich man's Smush Parker. Why? It's not like Russ just started sucking. He had been sucking. I hated the trade from jump. Just why? Rob and them get paid tons if money for this. How did they not know Russ was a dumpster fire?
I was working on getting my A/V gear running again today after my main DirecTV receiver took a dump and after it came back up there was an episode of Backstage Lakers on with Vogel and Handy and Fizdale and Penberthy sitting around a nice table in a nice small conference room going over strategy for an upcoming game. (don’t know which team and it’s probably already been played. More fly on the wall stuff that cameras actually got to capture. It was pretty cool. Handy sounds great in there adding his input.
offense has been bottom portion of the league for last 2 yrs, some if not most of it is on Vogel n the staff that he didn't pick
his spirited meeting and practice isn't having an impact today. Disappointing. I really thought we'd see some focus. Denver is really exposing us badly.
The excuse he sang in Nov./Dec. was he didn't have a healthy 36 year old Ariza and now it is no AD. Come on, the Lakers aren't the only team with stars missing. The Clippers have both their stars missing a ton of games and only a game behind in the standings. (PS Paul George has played less games than AD this year!!!) He just won't come out and admit that all our players from top to bottom need to play better. The Lakers have played only 2 games in the last 6 days and had a lengthy stay at home the last 2+ weeks. How can they still look this bad halfway through the season? The players are not delivering on the court and so is the coach right now. The defense has gotten worse and worse even with their so called defensive guys like Dwight, Bradley, Reaves, Ariza, etc available. Both Lebron and Vogel are full of it, the injuries excuse doesn't fly anymore Edit If he called them out yesterday and still ended up giving a horrible defensive effort, he's lost the locker room. His words do not carry weight anymore
Our point of attack defense is so atrocious we are left scrambling all over the place. A team just has to make 2-3 passes and its open corner 3 or lay up.
I think we need three new players. 1 that addresses a need, currently the wing. Then BPA it with the other two, you erase DJ and Baze for players who are top 8 talent wise. I think that gives this roster a proper restructuring. And the hope is that jolt injects some life into this corpse. Honestly I would prefer Turner and then if you can nab a Covington or Thad Young to handle the wing need via the buyout market (neither may get bought out... trying to wish it into existence). I think that gives Vogel a team and identity he would much rather have. But then can we switch again back to being a big team and rebuilding a new identity after we just committed to going small? I think we see Turner (only) worth going to that effort and that's why he's the only big we're linked to. The rest are 3&D wings.
Yeah they speculated on the latest silver screen and roll pod with Anthony and Harrison that we land Turner, that the Lakers look at overall talent vs biggest for/need. I’m for it because apparently he’s a defense first guy, and we NEED that. They also talked about how a traditional big still doesn’t work with Russ though, and then Bron has to go back to playing the 3, so yeah not a fix to everything, but a start.
