What was he healing from by the way, do you know? We were wondering some of us a couple months ago why he didn't come in in better shape.
You might be one of a few who thought deng was a good signing....maybe a necessary one but every outsider and analyst said both were bad signing from the start
Fair enough. I think there were a number of us here though that liked the signing at the time. I didn't think it was the greatest signing ever given the length of the contract, but I definitely liked it at the time, no denying. I gave my reasons - that he was a good player in the past and I thought that at age 31 he wouldn't be completely cooked. But he's looked totally done-zo with us. Unfortunately the SF position was a dire need for us. We needed a starter while Ingram developed. Deng seemed like a safe bet to fit the bill. Sadly, he's much worse than anticipated.
Agreed. I think the majority on this site thought it was a good signing just to bring in his presence, but we all agreed the 4th year was bad.
^I don't recall many sportswriters and analysts stating that the Deng signing was a bad move personnel wise the length of the contract notwithstanding. It was lauded that he will bring stability, professionalism and accountability to the team given its youth and inexperience. In some fashion, maybe Deng has outside of the floor and in practices but his injuries and sporadic production on it negates all that.
If deng or moz was providing the leadership on the floor, luke wouldnt have made the comments bout the young guys not having a vet to rally around during gms
During games neither are the kind of "impact" vets per se that the youngsters can rely on during a crucial possession or make plays is how I interpret it. Both have been role players all their careers so as not to curtail player development. More of a mentorship factor if anything to keep the young players heads in the game...be a professional off of it. Of course, it doesn't translate to more wins as our young core learn how to manage their collective talents and how to win.
If deng was mentoring them off the court dont you think the young guys would naturally gravitate to him during gms too even if hes not productive? I would think if you had a mentor you'd go to them during any time of need
Of course, but you can't expect your mentor to make plays for you right? I'm sure they know he is not the go to guy now and never was in his career. Deng is there for them to maintain focus and help keep their poise. Deng's role is to monitor their body language and attitude. The kids have to grow up too...
When luke says rally too doesnt mean deng has to make the play. To me luke is referencing a vet that the guys can turn to and ask what would you do in this situation, thats something im not seeing from deng
Why do they have to ask Deng what to do? Isn't that what the coaching staff is there for? Why can't they figure it out themselves? How do you know that Deng isn't offering advice when needed on the bench, during timeouts and in the huddle? Does he have to offer advice every time it gets difficult? Does Deng have to one-up the staff and let them do their job?
I dont know but your explanation about Luke comments should apply to deng/mozgov. Its only fair to lead to that conclusion if you're being mentored by someone you tend to gravitate towards that individual during difficult times on and off the court, if Luke can make those comments without hesitation, can only lead me to think there isn't much mentoring going on and the youngs guys really aren't that in tune with Deng. You can find solace any way you like with Deng signing, its just my own opinion, I dont belive in the notion that he is here for that nor cares to do that. Yes that is what we signed him for but you tell me if you were in his position at his age, would you really sign here to do that or did you sign here because you got offered the most money?
Of course it does since those two were brought on for those roles. Again, Walton's comments were about a go-to vet to make plays (a score or a crucial stop) on the floor since our young players aren't there yet. The "youngs guys" don't have to gravitate to them in difficult times. Why do they have to? Would you act that way as a player? It makes them weak minded and not being resilient on their own.