Ex-Coach Luke Walton Discussion

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  1. therealdeal

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    Why would I be terribly upset that Ennis played? Ennis wasn't great, but he brought good energy. Watching last night I almost preferred him to KCP.
     
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    The difference is Pop had championship caliber teams so he could afford to work in reigning in Manu. Same with Phil when he would use questionable lineups. We were competing for championships so it wasn’t a big deal to mess with lineups a game here and there.

    I don’t care how boneheaded Randle may be at times when all of our best lineups include him. He doesn’t need 40 mpg but he played less than 20 and almost had a double double again. It’s a recurring theme and it’s really annoying. As Real mentions a couple posts after yours, guys are held to different standards.
     
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    I don't think it's time to give up on Luke...but I think it's time to start heavily criticizing him. We're down Ingram, Lopez and Ball...and for some odd f***ing reason, we are still only giving Randle 20 minutes a night. WHY?! What does this man gotta do to get more minutes? Why is Luke consistently giving KCP 35+ minutes a night when he's absoltuely killing our team out there? He's playing rookies 38 minutes but Randle can't crack 25 minutes?

    Inexcusable and the more we lose, the more this will become an issue. I said it before...bringing randle off the bench and only playing him 20 minutes will become an issue if we start LOSING.
     
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    Yeah. I missed some stretches of the game, but I didn't get where that particular criticism was coming from.
     
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    I have indeed given up. I think Luke is a heck of an assistant coach, players love him (mostly), good motivator, can help with the little things. When it comes to being the head guy, in charge of lineups, installing a real offense, making adjustments on defense (STOP SWITCHING EVERY PLAY). The ONLY way I see him working long term is if he gets a crew of real assistants, with more experience that can make up for all the areas he lacks. Madden, Shaw, surfer dude, former Bulls guy, other guy in suit I’ve never heard of, former Arizona guy aren’t cutting it.
     
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    this is pretty much how i feel. I think magic also touched on his assistants needing to help him more. If you ask me, I think the assistant coach that needs to go is Brian Shaw. He's proven to be an awful Head Coach and I feel that maybe some of our lineups are due to Shaw's stupidity (when he was the Nuggets coach he was notorious for mind boggling rotations).
     
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    Ennis, Caruso, Brewer, Nance and Bogut. That odd five can't score but were in for a stretch until the deficit ballooned to fourteen. Subs in Clarkson, Hart, Kuzma and Randle. By then Wolves had a rhythm, too much of a hole to dig out of...
     
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    I am totally bamboozled / flummoxed / amazed that Luke by outward appearance does ^^^ so seem to be lacking in the areas you mention. Coming from the long lineage through Pops and Wooden, playing under Lute Olsen and Jackson and being up close and personal in GS with the methods of Popovich (through Kerr) and Kerr himself. Unless there are behind the scenes directives from Magic and Rob that might explain some but not all of this. I really really hope he better gets his **** together.
     
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    I am not giving up on a coach who is literally starting multiple rookies every game. As it pertains to our most impactful players, he essentially is coaching a college team against men. Does he make mistakes? Of course, but no one remembers the first couple seasons of other coaches who started young. Brad Stevens is an aberration, not the norm. I honestly don't know if Luke is our coach of the future or if he will end up a good coach. But I do know that he is young and learning and he trying to lead kids against men. Sometimes he reads situations wrong, but when dealing with kids it's hard to get a read on them sometimes.

    I am not a Luke apologist. I'm just trying to be rational and look at all the facts and circumstances. It's way too early to come to a verdict on him. Our team is a bunch of kids and the last couple weeks we've been trading blows with the best teams the league has to offer. We have fought and fought which is partly a reflection of the coach.
     
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    just for ref sake for those saying luke comes from gsw lineage n should be given better roster for better results ...check Pelican hc Gentry, he failed as hc then went back n became solid asst with gsw. nop is still medicore to avg having a tandem of 2 of the most domiant bigs in the gm
     
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    so how bout loses to fellow bottom dwellers like sac, pho, etc?
     
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    Agreed. I think there are certain things that are pissing people off (rotations and Julius's minutes being the obvious) that are skewing the way they see Luke. Like you said, he's coaching a team with a LOT of rotation players that are either below the legal drinking age or just got past it. He's coaching children and getting some pretty decent results. We're not getting blown out regularly, we're fighting in games, and we're getting solid efforts on 9.5/10 nights. That's more than can be said for Byron and heck it's more than can be said of last year.

    Now Luke has made plenty of mistakes and he seems to really be struggling juggling the FO desires regarding KCP and Julius specifically, but he's becoming a scapegoat here. In an impossible position, he's doing a passable job. He is a new coach just like most of these players are new. Meanwhile 32 games into the season and we're still the 10th ranked Defensive team by rating in the NBA. We're 10th in steals per game and 5th in blocks per game as a team. Luke deserves as much credit for that as he does blame for rotation problems and some offensive struggles.
     
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    B0ron had to start rookies too, doesn’t change the fact that he sucked. I don’t think that Luke sucks, I just think he’s an assistant, a very good assistant, but not ready for taking the Lakers back to glory. Sure that can change if we land 2 stars this offseason, but if we keep losing winnable games in the meantime we won’t be very appealing to those stars. And if we don’t land them, I have no faith that Luke can turn this ship around by building with our youth when he doesn’t even play our best ones the most minutes. He’ll end up a Del Harris.
     
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    The Randle rotation is the biggest head scratcher. There has to be something else.
    He looked to be by far our most productive player against Minny & only got 18 min of PT..?
    That's odd to me. He had 16 pts on 70% shooting & 4 Off Reb in that limited time too..
    His +/- was -11 though, so there's something not clicking there.
     
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    I think we can both be right. It may have been too soon to give him the starting job, but he's not been as bad as it sometimes feels like he's been. Byron never even had as much success as this season if we ended it today. The fact that we're such a good defensive team has to count for something. In the Byron days we were literally nothing but a Kobe circus (all due respect to Kobe).

    It may very well be that Luke isn't our head coach when we're great again, but all we're saying is he's not as bad as Byron or Mike Brown or D'Antoni (yeah I know D'Antoni is doing great now, but he didn't do that here so...).
     
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    some of ya'all comparing Luke and BScott
     
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    My biggest complaint with Luke is his reluctance to give Randle the consistent 25+ mins out there... Even Clarkson has short stints out there. When those two are out there, we tend to take leads, or win games... I don't understand why he would wanna bench the man when statistically, and with the eye test, we're better with him out there.
     
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    Generally speaking I think Walton's been good for this young team. He's got his flaws but we're playing much better D this year, we're fighting hard and hardly getting blown out. We've played close games against the league's best.

    My big complaint is the rotations which have been maddening at times. First and foremost comes his treatment of Randle which has been incomprehensible.

    The one thing we cannot know for sure though is how much of that is based on his personal preference/bias against Randle, and how much of this is mandated by the FO.
     
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    I find it interesting that he says he runs different plays for the bench vs the starters, and that's part of why he doesn't mix as much.

    How well does that work when you are missing 3 starters? Asking for a friend....
     
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    Completely agree
     

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