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We outscored the Kings in the 2nd half with our innovative lineups.

Maybe he's onto something.....

He told them to man up, and they did.

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I told ya'll from the jump that Byron is a terrible coach and this legacy hire is nothing more than to calm the flames from the fans. He's truly a terrible coach and I'm glad everyone is really beginning to see why. We could be sitting on Karl, Thibs, a younger coach with some fire (Stevens-BOS), someone that isn't a retread in the same group as Brown, MDA, but no we are worried about how it would look to other teams, players, media if we fired another coach so fast. How do we look right now? Scott's embarrassing himself with his lack of coaching, Kobe is embarrassing himself with his inability to realize 3-21 from three is proving all the doubters right about him, DAR is getting dumped on because he can't do what got him to the pros, the rest of the team is down because our coach would rather blame them than put anything on himself. In two games, two freakin' games, I've seen so much bad from a coaching standpoint, I turned the game off at halftime last night because there are only so many times I can yell at my TV in one night. This is a year we are all supposed to be excited: Kobe is back, JC/Randle the future, DAR being the 1st real PG since Magic with his passing skills, Hibbert's redemption, but no we are stuck waiting on the biggest obstacle in the way, Byron, to get the F out of the way and let this group grow.

DAR - Taking the best PG prospect in the draft with his skill set and sticking him in the corner at SG not touching the ball is literally the dumbest thing I've seen in basketball in a long time. You want to lighten his workload? You don't make him learn a new position on top of the one he is already learning, you lighten the load that he came here to take on. Instead of running him in 10-15 pick and rolls a night, you let him get 7-8 or in and the rest of the time let him initiate the offense. Problem being, we would be lucky to get 7-8 solid pick and rolls a night from Byron and we damn sure ain't initiating the offense. Then comes the question, you draft a guy KNOWING that Byron hates pick and roll (Remember he didn't want Jeremy Lin balling last year because P&R is too basic for him), KNOWING that DAR's bread and butter is P&R and now its well we didn't take best player available because we thought fantasy land was going to deliver us LMA or DJ......What in the hell is a matter with you Byron? This is the number 2 pick overall, this is the building block for the future and you are just pounding him into the ground before he has a chance to put on the gloves. I would love to see what Pop would do with DAR, he'd be crapping P&R in his sleep, he'd be running so many of them. Then he gets barely any playing time? Really? How the hell is supposed to learn, how did JC learn? How is Towns, Okafor, Mudiay, any top pick in the past learning? They get out there and take their lumps. Let the kid play his game, just like JC last year, give him the reigns to the offense, run pick and roll to death and let him lead. He's money off the pick and roll shooting, his pocket passes are 10/10, let him work FFS.

Kobe - I'm sitting here running earthquake drills and ducking for cover every time this dude shoots a 3. Drop the ego, get your a** in the mid-range/post area and drop 25 on people on 13 shots with the same move that can't freakin' be stopped. 5-12 last night and 1-8 from 3, HELLO? MCFLY? ANYBODY THERE? I'd love to see if Nick Young did this, he'd be so far down on the bench section 320 in the nosebleeds would have a better chance of seeing the game. But since Kobe is family, can't be mad, it's Kob, Kind of how the FO won't criticize Byron, how Magic won't, Worthy won't, but if you are outside the family one mistake and you are hearing about it. Byron needs to sack up and bench him or get on him about getting to his sweet spots and let others set him up because quite frankly Kobe is impeding the progress of our future players with his chucking antics. Go ahead take 20 shots from the post because either A.) You get an efficient 30 or B.) The defense shifts and the other players get wide open looks. Kobe said he wants to pass the torch himself, well he's got 3 young pups chomping at the bit for it and he's doing the opposite of that. Byron needs to step in because he's failing big time in this department.

JC - THE best player on the team and Byron is going to sit him for long stretches where we are losing leads or getting blown out. How dumb are you? If he's not at 35-37 minutes for the season, something is wrong. This kid can flat out ball and his progress as a player is being stopped because Byron can't effectively manage a rotation without switching 5-5 at a time and letting players like Kelly get 20 plus minutes a night. You play your best players and JC is our best player. PLAY HIM.

Offense - If I had to sum up the offense we are running into 1-2 sentences it would be....Players dribble/pass around the perimeter until 10-12 seconds left on the shot clock, in which at that time whoever has the ball gets to ISO their man for a shot. Literally that is his offense and it's pathetic. On top of that he's going to blame the players for not running the offense. Dude YOU HAVE NO OFFENSE. Your in game adjustments are garbage, there is zero spacing as 3-4 guys at a time are consistently inside the 3 point line, you can't effectively run a play where we consistently get the defense out of position for easy buckets, and you think long 2s are the easiest shot in basketball. How hard is it to run DAR/JC/Young/Randle/Hibbert or DAR/Lou/Young/Randle/Hibbert or JC/Lou/Young/Randle/Hibbert or put Bass in for Randle, Black in for Hibbert and run a 1-4 pick and roll (WHAT 80% OF THE LEAGUE DOES), have the 2 and 3 spotting up on the wings stretching the defense, the 5 on the baseline ready for a touch pass from the rolling 4 or cleanup on a miss and the 1 attacking off the roll to find the 4 or take the shot? It's a hell of a lot better than having everyone ISO their freakin' man. Every basket is so difficult. Randle has to ISO all the time, same with Kobe, Young and Lou because we wouldn't know an easy basket if it hit us in the mouth. It's pathetic.

Defense - Lord have mercy if you ever run Bass/Kelly vs. Cousins/Koufos-Cauley-Stein again, I will pay the plane ticket to fly to LA to slap that stache off your face. In what world does that make sense? And to do it for an extended period of time? What good are you as a coach? Why is Kelly getting extended minutes, he can't shoot, DEFENSES ARE LETTING HIM SHOOT, how many wide open 3s does he have to clank or play out of position at the 3 or 5 before Byron realizes he either plays as a 4 or doesn't play at all? In what world does Kelly guarding Cousins work? Kelly is a 13-15th guy on an NBA team and he's being treated like a key sub. We aren't winning any games with him getting 20 plus minutes a night. He's not that good and to take minutes away from Randle in game 1? Stupid. Black is a mini-double double (5/5) off the bench and can play some defense. And you know, he's a 5. The best part of last night is we ran a freakin' zone last night. EL OH EL. Nothing says we surrender more than running a freakin' zone in the NBA. Byron is supposed to be a defensive guy and his defensive philosophy is just terrible. Running zone with Kelly/Bass as the bigs trying to box out the frontline of Sacto. He should be fired just for that.

Byron had one thing going for him and that was he was a motivator/hard-working attitude type of guy that could rub off on the young players. We couldn't find that in another coach? He's not the only person that could do that. Read up on what Shaka Smart is doing at Texas and the energy/drive he's bringing (See video below) Am I saying he should be the Lakers coach, nope, just saying there are better motivators and people out there that can make you a hard worker than this old school cat that doesn't change his coaching philosophy, strategy for anybody. This stubborn, old-school, legacy hire move is really impacting are young guys' ability to grow and to throw the team under the bus constantly and not take any of the blame is just wrong and not someone I want coaching this team. I said it then and I'll say it again now, this was/is a terrible move and once the FO can finally figure out that winning is more important than making people happy, we are stuck with moves like this. Incompetence from the top down is hurting this franchise, not the other way around.

Can a new coaching staff really make that much of a difference? Perhaps. Especially when it's a staff that radiates positive energy, preaches values like appreciation and enthusiasm and demands you "attack the day."

"Everything he told us from the first day he met with us has been true," Felix said. "From the time we step out of the bed in the morning, he wants us to be aggressive."

"I don't know if coach Smart gives them supplements to get them going or what," Lammert said. "It seems like they're on something, I'll be honest, but it's contagious."

Best anyone can tell, this may be Smart's secret to success: enthusiasm. He devotes an entire day to it. Enthusiasm Tuesday. "To me, that should be the easiest one, if you set your mind to it," Smart said.

It's one of Smart's five core values, along with appreciation, competitiveness, accountability and something he calls "teamship," in which players align themselves with team goals. Those five made the cut from an initial list of 19 when Smart was at Virginia Commonwealth.

"He told us if you're going to come to practice and not have energy, you might as well not come," Holland said. "He said he's really open to that. Well, I'm not sure he's totally open to that."

Byron has done nothing but put down his players this season so far without making any adjustments himself. He needs to look in the mirror because the pitchforks are growing in numbers. I hope the FO realizes that the growth of our young players, winning to get FA, ignoring what the media has to say is more important than sticking out this legacy hire.
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O.M.G. This is the single most epic and needed post that will be made on LB this year. Because it has to get sent to Jeanie, Jim and Mitch. I am serious as a heart attack. One paragraph or even a couple of sentences in they will know it has to be read in its entirety because it is REAL talk and basketball smart. Not hate mail of no substance that will just get deleted. How best to go about that? Send to John Black, the 3 people mentioned directly, anyone else that will know it needs to be read? Are any of these people listed in a "contact us" link?

Byron is the final nail in the coffin to this franchise, in what should be a break out year going forward for it.

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O.M.G. This is the single most epic and needed post that will be made on LB this year. Because it has to get sent to Jeanie, Jim and Mitch. I am serious as a heart attack. One paragraph or even a couple of sentences in they will know it has to be read in its entirety because it is REAL talk and basketball smart. Not hate mail of no substance that will just get deleted. How best to go about that? Send to John Black, the 3 people mentioned directly, anyone else that will know it needs to be read? Are any of these people listed in a "contact us" link?

Byron is the final nail in the coffin to this franchise, in what should be a break out year going forward for it.
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Could also get it to some of the media heads, if it makes enough noise it will surely make its way upwards.

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If the lakers lose badly next couple of games. Expect some noise about byron cuz this is ridiculous. Yeah it's only 2 games in but we have been seeing the same crap the last 2 seasons now. Different players same bull" "!

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I'm serious, let's talk on this and send it to the principles in Lakers FO if there's a way..... but also spam it to multiple media sources as you say, as an "open letter from horrified Lakers fans" with what they are seeing. Yahoo loves any chance to dump on Lakers for instance and it might wind up on their home page up top when you open it for a couple of days. How do we do this best?

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***Sigh*** I think there are going to be some changes with Russell as the season progress. The problem with Byron is simple: he takes way too long to implement any changes. We ran a certain defensive scheme last year and got burned multiple times. It took him about 20 games to adjust his pick in roll coverage and by that time we were fighting an uphill battle all season long. He's stubborn, prideful, and hard-headed. The fact that he says 'it's not an X's and O's issues' completely baffles me, and I know we're probably in for a very long season; nonetheless, I do think 20, 30, 40, games in things will change.

I think we'll start to see more pick in roll with Russell and Clarkson. If my eyes haven't mistaken me, I've seen 2 secondary pick in rolls for Russell that have resulted in jump shots that have went in. We need to see more of that. Similar to the 2nd half of last season, that's all Lin/Clarkson ran. That's the main thing I want to see within our offense. I wouldn't mind scrapping Scott's stuff entirely. However, that won't happen, so I'll settle with more pick in roll. I hope that change happens sooner rather than later or else we'll continue to get bogged down with no secondary action and the result is isolations at the end of the shot clock.

Defensively, we're a wreck. There's no way to help us. The young players are going to make mistakes. Clarkson, Randle, and Russell, and Kobe have al been guilty of playing porous defense with break down after break down. I remember Carlos Boozer saying it last year 'we talk about defense a lot.' Worthy has said they guys practice defense, the execution is simply so sloppy and our transition defense is no better. That will be the reason we continue to lose games. We can't stop anybody. I know I'm not anything most of us don't know; however, look at this...

Apparently, the thing he used to scoff at D'Antoni when he was coaching has come back to bite Scott in the a**. He can't coach defense. He's not holding players accountable. He's throwing them under the bus 2 games into the season...this isn't going to end well this season. Chances are if we lose less than 30 games, which we probably are, Scott will be canned this season.

Thibs or Luke will be on the way, boys...

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Yeah, what Doc said.

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Yeah, well, this is where the Front Office has faltered. As much as I don't like Byron, this falls on the Front Office. You can't terminate him during the season. That wouldn't be right. Give him his walking papers next year, which is still a sign of failure, but it's best to go our separate ways and for goodness sake, make the next hire, the right hire!

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As much as I've defended Byron, you simply cannot defend him so far this season.

What shocks me is just how different this team has looked since even the last couple of pre-season games. What the hell happened here? Suddenly Byron is doubting the starters? He's pulling the young kids early? The rotation is broken and makes no sense. No one is controlling Kobe and there doesn't seem to be any actual system in place offensively or defensively. What the f*** happened here? What was this team doing for 8 games before the season started?

They looked better in their first pre-season game than they did last night.

It looks to me like Byron is losing these guys. They're more talented than what we're seeing so far and it's unacceptable. This team has now taken two big steps backwards. He's not even doing the things I was confident he could do: teach toughness and desire.

The problem: we can't fire Byron mid-season unless our LONG-TERM coach is out there and available. The ONLY way you let go of Byron in season is to get the coach you want for the next 5 years. If you don't, you're just a coach mill and nobody will want to come here. It's unprofessional.

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As much as I've defended Byron, you simply cannot defend him so far this season.

What shocks me is just how different this team has looked since even the last couple of pre-season games. What the hell happened here? Suddenly Byron is doubting the starters? He's pulling the young kids early? The rotation is broken and makes no sense. No one is controlling Kobe and there doesn't seem to be any actual system in place offensively or defensively. What the f*** happened here? What was this team doing for 8 games before the season started?

They looked better in their first pre-season game than they did last night.

It looks to me like Byron is losing these guys. They're more talented than what we're seeing so far and it's unacceptable. This team has now taken two big steps backwards. He's not even doing the things I was confident he could do: teach toughness and desire.

The problem: we can't fire Byron mid-season unless our LONG-TERM coach is out there and available. The ONLY way you let go of Byron in season is to get the coach you want for the next 5 years. If you don't, you're just a coach mill and nobody will want to come here. It's unprofessional.
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Is Luke a good coach though? Or does he mostly have a good team? I'd like to know that before we hired a pretty unknown guy for a tough situation. We cannot afford to make a 4th mistake in a row. Same with Mark Jackson. Isn't the knock on him was that he was bad at X's and O's too, and was a motivational speaker coach like Byron? The very same year they lose him and get Kerr they take a huge leap, dominate the regular season, and win it all, not a good thing for Mark's resume. And thibs, all defense, no offense, runs his players into the ground. We must be careful and make the right hire.

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Agreed on all that, real. He's absolutely losing these guys, and we're absolutely more talented than we are seeing. Almost everyone on this team is being used wrong IMO. Whether it's how they're being used on offense, and who is playing together. For all we know, some of the starters play better with some of the bench guys, but we'll never know, because Byron is locked into his rotations that aren't working. We saw early chemistry with Russ and Black and haven't been allowed to see it since, for one example.

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I'd even take Nash as a head coach at this juncture.

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Is Luke a good coach though? Or does he mostly have a good team? I'd like to know that before we hired a pretty unknown guy for a tough situation. We cannot afford to make a 4th mistake in a row. Same with Mark Jackson. Isn't the knock on him was that he was bad at X's and O's too, and was a motivational speaker coach like Byron? The very same year they lose him and get Kerr they take a huge leap, dominate the regular season, and win it all, not a good thing for Mark's resume. And thibs, all defense, no offense, runs his players into the ground. We must be careful and make the right hire.
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It will be Thibs or Walton. It won't be anybody else. Walton has a very high basketball IQ, he's seen the principles that Kerr has implemented in GS, he's young, he's a Laker, he's not a retread, etc.

I like Thibs, too. I'd take him. He's an instant upgrade.

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Gotta go outside the box with the coaching hire. If we can survive this whole season with Byron isn't Carlisle available?

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Gotta go outside the box with the coaching hire. If we can survive this whole season with Byron isn't Carlisle available?
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No. Carlisle is close to signing a new 5-year deal with the Mavericks.

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A consistent bottom 5 D for a coach who is allegedly more sound in those principles than Pringles. He doesn't have a franchise vet. PG to cover for his ineptitude on the offensive end. It's getting ugly quick for Scott. No one on this roster is going to save him with how he's using them -- Russell isn't being given a chance, nor is he ready. Kobe can't turn a turd into gold any longer. JC isn't getting the PT and won't get enough touches with the guards we have.

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