Brandon Ingram Discussion: He Is Who We Thought He Could Be

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  1. lakerjones

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    Ingram and Zu were just superb last night. 9 for 13? Ingram was making shots all over the floor and really showing his potential. This is the kid we've been looking for. As I said earlier, Ingram is going to be our best player of the youngsters. It may take a couple/few years, but I believe he's the one. I'm thrilled we landed him. And Zu was a flat out STEAL! 6 blocks last night, solid post game, great mid-range shooter. What's not to like?
     
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    Ingram is an example of why you can't just look at assist numbers and gauge if a guy can pass the ball well or not. You have to take into account if he sees the floor well, doesn't force things, is a ball mover, making extra passes, and setting up the pass that leads to an assist. Ingram does all of those things. No he's nowhere near the natural passer that Simmons is, but he's so much more well rounded and balanced offensively. Defensively it's not even a contest. I would've taken Ingram #1 without even thinking about it.
     
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    I loved what I saw from Ingram in this last game. Such a smooth player, no forcing of shots, let the game come to him. Silky.
     
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    Coming out of college this is almost exactly what I was hoping he'd be. When I watched him at Duke he was the kind of guy to make the right play. He was (is) a smart player that's not prone to mistakes and plays efficiently because he knows when to pass or shoot the ball.

    That ability to know when to make the right play puts an artificial ceiling on his scoring most nights because he won't be Kobe taking 25 shots to get 30 points, but every night he's going to make our team better.

    I really dig this kid and I think he's the perfect counter to our other young guys.
     
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    I see a quicker Paul Pierce in some of his moves ...

    I hope he's not going to break though .

    He's skinnier than chicken Brewer
     
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    Ingram in NCAA
    5.7 scoring efficiency
    2.3 passing efficiency
    3.2 hustle efficiency
    63 wing efficiency

    Ingram in Summer League
    5.7 scoring efficiency
    2.4 passing efficiency
    2.1 hustle efficiency
    58 wing efficiency

    This is some promising stuff. If Ingram can continue to score at this sort of rate - despite being off the ball so much - he's going to be invaluable for us. The hustle efficiency dropped because of a decrease in steals and blocks compared to college, but I don't even care about that. He's keeping his fouls low, he's finding ways to score pretty effectively (his 1.04 points per possession consumed in SL were better than all wings on our team, and only Russell's 1.12 was better among all backcourt players).
     
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    Super Early Rookie Projections
    30.1 MPG
    12.6 PPG
    1.7 APG
    4.5 RPG
     
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    That's it?
     
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    Ingram looks good. He was very aggressive last night posting up and calling for the ball.
     
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    We still have preseason ball to adjust those numbers.
     
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    Looks like he won't contend for rookie of the year. Laker has a set path on developing rooks.
     
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    I would be content with that. Ingram is 18 years old. He turns 19 in September and body wise he's even skinnier than Kobe was when he came in at age 17 in 1996. He struggled against Summer League competition so he will definitely struggle some against NBA players. He'll have good moments and not so good moments. It's just gonna take him some time to adjust to everything that an NBA rookie has to deal with. Playing longer, the schedule, the defenses, the different offense we'll be playing at, playing off ball more, and having to play different positions. He will be fine. 13, 5, and 2 aren't bad numbers. Those are basically the same numbers D'Lo averaged and we've seen how much better he looked in Summer League.

    Ingram is gonna be a superstar. He's already shown why in short bursts why he can. His defensive versatility is something we haven't had in years. His shooting once he gets adjusted to the line in the NBA. He can shoot over anyone. He'll learn how to play through physical contact. He can play isolation ball even though that's not something we wanna have a steady diet of. He's shown the ability to make the right decisions with the ball. Hasn't forced bad shots. He'll play within the system, but also with have the ability to make something out of nothing on occasion.

    I bought the kid's jersey the other day and I never buy anyone's jersey who hasn't stepped on the court. That's how confident I am in Brandon's ability to become everything I think he'll become. He's humble, a hard worker, a student of the game. I watched a video the other day where he was sitting down the Duke associate coach and they were just going through film and each time he told them what he saw and they showed some footage of KD as well.

    The kid is smart, has a high basketball IQ, knows what he is seeing out there, like D'Angelo has a great feel for the game, and he just knows how to score. People say the Durant comparisons aren't fair and maybe they aren't, but there are clear similarities there. They both are silky smooth jump shooters, versatile defensively, good rebounders, Ingram is a better passer, Durant isn't as frail as Ingram was when he came in and is better at going to the basket, although Ingram can get there he's just have a little trouble finishing but with more strength that won't be an issue. They both are adept at iso situations and coming off pin downs. Ingram will probably play more in the post as opposed to Durant who usually operates in the mid post, the three point line, and more of a ball handler in the screen and roll game.

    Ingram is gonna be a superstar. Even when he was struggling the fact that he still was able to generate quality looks, the fact that he was pretty sound and solid defensively, the fact that he made nice reads in regards to his passes, and the fact that teams knew they had to beat him up otherwise he would torch them are all good signs of what Brandon will become in the next 2-3 seasons.
     
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    Only 22 players have averaged 10+ PPG under 20. It's a pretty impressive list.

    Melo, LeBron, and Durant are the only ones to average 20+.

    Kyrie, Wiggins, Marbury, Kobe at 15-19

    Beal, Booker, Cliff Robinson, AD, Dajuan Wagner, Russell, Mudiay, J. Parker, Dwight, Deng, Bosh, KG, JR Smith, Myles Turner, and Zach LaVine round out the list.

    About half of them have a good chance at HoF. On a lot of the others, it's too early to tell.
     
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    The fact that he hasn't been offered a conyract6 concerns me. He better not be traded for cousins or something.
     
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    I agree, but remember that there are strategic reasons for doing this over and above a trade. It frees up an additional 800-900k for signing a player.
     
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    I have a hard time believing that we will play him 30 minutes a night though.
     
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    I'm guessing we're trying to line up another Calderon dump or maybe a big short-term contract somewhere.

    Has Harkless signed anywhere yet?
     
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    Liking the stats, feel like Ingram is going to be a great glue guy that provides whatever the team on the floor needs most.

    Random, but I haven't heard this discussed elsewhere. How does everyone feel about putting Randle at C (keep him close to the basket on O and he's strong enough to keep C's out of the paint on D), Nance at PF (stretch four on O with strong weakside help on D), Deng at SF (stretch the floor some more and provide solid perimeter D), Ingram at the SG (more space with his good stroke, and even better perimeter D in conjunction with Deng), and Russel (liability on D is balanced out with Deng and Ingram, and his pick and roll and playmaking on O). Bring Clarkson off the bench as a 6th man to provide additional O along with Calderon (to keep the floor spaced), along with a twin-tower combo of Mozgov and Zubac at the C and PF protecting the paint for both of Clarkson and Calderons lack of perimeter D.
     

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