Brandon Ingram Discussion: He Is Who We Thought He Could Be

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  1. Khmrp

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    hes just to slow and methodical, he's pretty much Wiggins like to me now. Can put up #'s but feels so empty, he might've scored 20+ but felt so invisible out there and more of a hindarance than help
     
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    I don’t think BI is a good point forward. I’m fine with that job being taken away from him. He isn’t a good enough passer and he doesn’t make quick enough decisions. He’s not a good free throw shooter and he doesn’t seem to fit well next to Lebron. I’m fine with trading him for someone who does. I just don’t think this negates the things he does ok at.

    My overall issue is he seems to get blamed for everything even if he’s playing ok. He shot 50% last night (same as Kuz) had less TO’s then Kuz (even though Kuz handles the ball a lot less) didn’t foul a 3 point shooter like Kuz but there’s no mention of these things in the Kuzma thread. I think Kuz had a good game also. I’m not trying to rag on him, it just seems there’s a different standard for BI then the rest of our guys.

    I get he missed a critical free throw. He needs to make that. I also know if Kuz didn’t foul a 3 point shooter, we wouldn’t have needed that free throw. Hence my issue. One guys getting slammed, another guys no mention of it.
     
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    Kuz made up for his 3pt fouling but hitting a 3 right after, prior to that play Ingram wasted multiple position milking the clock (this is coaching intented IMO) and then of course he exacerbates everything with his piss poor FT shooting
     
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    I'd rather him just play a different role that accentuates his positives. But if he's considered a redundant talent, then I get it. But NOBODY is a good point forward at his age besides a handful of all time greats that played that role their whole lives up to that point. Seems premature to throw in the towel on a kid that is a gifted as he is, and who words as hard on his game as he does.

    Once he grows into that body and hones his skills and stays within his game, he'll be a consistent 20/10/5 guy every night with great D. (My prediction) You need guys like that on your roster. I'm glad he has the balls to stretch his game, but it is painful to watch sometimes. But he has bigger balls than others on this team.
     
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    Didn’t Kuz foul a 3 point shooter in the game before also?
     
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    I think BI is going have a good NBA career. He works too hard to fail. Unfortunately I don’t think it will be we us.
     
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    I'm sure he did....but BI struggles is both him and coaching, the killing of the clock was probably dictated by walton because almost every play down the stretch everyone kept passing it to Ingram knowing and seeing that he just holds onto the ball but his decision making and weak handle doesn't bode well to be the key ISO guy
     
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    someone has to go, and it may be that he's the one that fits the least

    but if Lebron has a career ending injury, we will really need him.

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    yeah BI should not be running the point

    this says it all

     
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    this yr so far BI does not play winning ball, his 20pts look like Wiggins 20pts, non impactful stat padding types
     
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    Thank you for this cause imo they both cost us the game. Kuz fouling the 3 point shooter and missing a layup and Ingram missing a free throw.
     
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    except he didn't shoot 50% last night. He was 8-19, and Kuzma was 12-24
     
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    Oops sorry. I thought he did.
     
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    still decent, but his impact on D will be more appreciated if he would just stay within himself on O. He's trying to do things he's not great at.
     
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    What is he good at on offense, really?

    15 ft pull-ups? There's just not a market for this unless you're prime dirk.

    It's hard to see where he fits in a modern offense until he can hit open threes and find cutting lanes more effectively.
     
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    or attack faster, im not sure if its by design but almost every time he gets a pass it takes 2-3 secs before he decides to do something and then another 10secs or so to pass it away because he can't do something lol
     
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    Randle was the same; frustrating.
     
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    BI needs a different mentor, Stackhouse is his main guy and his game was also iso heavy from what I recall. Dude was beast offensively but never seemed like the kind that helped win games....from the way this looking BI gona look a lesser version of Gay and Gay finally in his 30's is hitting 3's better and more in the game type O now and not a ball dominant guy anymore

    edit-just wanted to add, the advance metrics dont look good for BI, if his game dont change to more off-ball and less ball pounding we pretty much have a Wiggins type of a prospect, lets just hope if that happens we dont get stupid and give him max ext. like Wiggins got
     
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    "Looking To Play Off-Ball More":

    Not very good at playing off-ball. But, to compensate for it, he's bad at pounding the ball constantly. See, it's a win-win situation with Brandon.
     
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    man 3 straight #2's and none are even remotely in the talent pool of say a Doncic type :Lonzoreally:
     
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