Montrezl Harrell Discussion

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  1. 432J

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    i think his usage was fine during the regular season. it was in the playoffs where he became unplayable due to his poor defense and you had the whole drummond thing too

    his better offensive numbers in WAS are probably just him being in a system that better suits his skill set
     
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    we started randomly sitting him before that and played him five fewer minutes per game than lac or was did/does.

    we played him in game 1 against phx, and he did fine:

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    he had a bad game 6 like the entire team did.

    starting around february, we jerked his minutes around for no reason/drummond.

    we really squandered a good FA pickup there, imo.
     
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    Lebron gutted pretty much all rosters he had since the big 3. It's his MO. He decided Russ. He decided Melo. And he asked for shooters.

    I'm pretty sure Lebron's voice is more important than Vogel's in assembling the roster
     
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    He is a very good offensive player who eats up minutes at C and gives a lot of production in the regular season. Dude is not reliable in postseason.
     
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    i know that's the book on him. i'm just not convinced. but whatever, dude's worth a few wins a year (and playoff positioning) regardless.

    i don't know. i like trez. i like his approach and attitude, and i think these things matter and are infectious. i actually really liked last year's team, in theory. we never really got to see it.
     
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    Harrell/Schroder P & R had great potential but we didn't see it at all. They ran that thing quite well in preseason and in the opening games
     
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    :LLLLLebronlaughing:

    What the hell is that?
     
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    i wouldn't be surprised if he's gone by the deadline

    they just got hachimura back and bryant is expected to come back any day now. plus they already have gafford who trez has been splitting time with. his playing time and production has also dropped quite a bit since the first couple months of the season
     
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    Maybe it’s not multiple teams’ faults he never reaches his seeming full potential?
     
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    hmmm....i'd argue that trez has reached his full potential and that teams keep expecting him to suddenly grow or become more coordinated or something.

    and he's obviously a hothead, but every team that's had him has known that prior to acquiring him. tbh, i thought he'd blow up when we started randomly benching him for what was really no good reason (drummond??!!). but he didn't.

    for all the complaints about trez, he's a plus player on both ends everywhere he goes.

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    he's one of if not the best backup utility bigs in the league and has been for a few years. and he gets paid the MLE.

    we treated him poorly, imo, and the clippers didn't value him properly (ibaka has not been the upgrade they anticipated).
     
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    He can't defend and he can't shoot. He is a liability for team serious about playoffs

     
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    he's a great spark off the bench, but he's going to keep bouncing around the league because of his flaws and because he seems to have an issue with how every team uses him
     
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    love to have him back on a vet min if he's at that stage. as my previous posts indicate, i'm a fan of him as a backup. feel like he's more than proven himself there.
     
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    It's really odd with him. I love his energy and motor. He busts his a** for his team and I love that kind of player. He was one of my favorite players during his season with us. He starts out loving his new spot and then by the end of it, he's ready to go.

    Clippers F'ed him over. They blamed his Denver series instead of the stars looking in the mirror. I don't blame him for being upset with what we did with Marc and Drumm, that C rotation was a s*** show full of empty promises by the front office. Wiz...I don't know what was going on there. But several players had issues with their locker room. Charlotte, not sure either.

    I know you can't rely on him in the playoffs but if he's making $5m or less, that's OK. He's going to kill himself for you during those 82 and if there's a role for him in the playoffs, just not playing heavy minutes.

    I'd gladly take him back for the min, but I don't think he's mentally at that place yet.
     
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    Love him but he was misused here. Great reliable bench scorer.
     
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    i also think you *can* play him in the playoffs against most matchups. or at least you could; he seemed to drop off some this year for some reason.

    i agree that his trend of souring on places (or them souring on him) within a year is a bit troubling after a couple consecutive stops. at some point he also has to ask himself why the constant strife.
     
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    It could be the me against the world mentality. Maybe that chip is what gives him that constant motor and drive. But the downside is he can't properly direct it and it causes some two-way internal fiction with his current team.
     
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    doubt he'd want to come back to the lakers after the whole situation with drummond
     
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    as much as i agree that the drummond thing just murdered chemistry, i think trez started getting weirdly benched even before that. and he was never really fully utilized in the pick and roll, imo. one of the few gripes i had with vogel, tbh. but part of that was him being forced to start schroder.
     
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    That was genuinely bad coaching on Vogel’s part. I think Schröder and Harrell played like 5 mins together all season, and yeah I don’t remember much pick n roll at all. Seems to me like those 2 would have been a perfect bench duo, but nope, never happened. I’d take him back cheap, but he’d have to know his role as a bench energy guy, and know that some matchups mean he isn’t usable, and I doubt any of that happens.
     
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