NCAA Basketball Coaches Among 10 Charged With Fraud, Corruption

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    About NCAA basketball but shoe companies involved too and these players are steered toward preferred representation as they become pros.

    Boom goes the dynamite and no telling how far this is going to go. They turned a money guy that was caught doing bad things and had him take an FBI undercover agent to the under the table dirty dealings in another Yahoo story. From there more undercover agents and wiretaps. With the threat of felony obstruction charges for lying more of these guys are going to start singing. This is kind of HUGE. Tip of the iceberg so far...... allegedly. Seems beyond belief but some of these guys supposedly are facing up to 80 years in prison.

    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...asketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption
     
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    I just don't know what happens at the end of this...

    I'd say 99.9% of colleges are cheating, shoe companies are part of the problem, the NCAA is the biggest part of the problem. What worries me is that the system is going to come down on the kids when it should be coming down on the fat cats in the NCAA who are printing money while the kids don't see a dime. No s*** they take money when it's offered, why wouldn't they?
     
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    No one should be surprised by this. I assumed this was how things were and always have been run. These schools are just the ones that got caught. College ball is a business, let’s be real, nobody is innocent, and the NCAA never does jack, so this is on them.
     
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    Pitino said he was surprised to hear Louisville has been mentioned. I'm not.

    yes, 99.9% cheat in recruiting, # phone calls, giving money, shoes, food, getting jobs, etc, etc.

    Wanna get the shoe companies out of colleges? Just have all colleges wear BBB shoes. Problem solved.
     
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    i echo real's concerns that the remedy won't be appropriate here. it should finally open the door to real reform in college sports, but you know someone is going to try to sell this as a few crooked folks abusing a system that's perfectly fine.
     
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    I'm not sure which is harder to distinguish, amateur sports or amateur porn.
     
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    Pitino has been fired.

    More to follow.
     
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    This right here. Everyone eats off these kids, the schools, the coaches and their 7 figure salaries, the high 6 figure athletic director and assistant coaches salaries, the apparel companies, the conferences, the NCAA, and the networks. God forbid the kids, who everyone pays to watch get a cut of it.
     
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    I hear you, but you can't put a price on an education. Very few make it to the pros. A lot more make $$ off that "free" education.

    Also, the NCAA is corrupt. No way they pay the athletes.
     
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    as a college prof:

    #notsureifserious
     
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    I guess it depends on what the degree is in.
     
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    the athletes who bring money into the schools--what are their majors? how many actually get degrees? given the scandals at schools and what i've seen directly, the major sports programs (football, basketball primarily) are not at all serious about the scholar portion of scholar/athlete.

    i suppose a few of the high profile folks that don't go pro capitalize off the platform and use it to promote successful careers in other ways, but i'm betting the vast majority don't.

    so yes, if these athletes were actually receiving a top-notch education at no cost, i wouldn't be as annoyed. but i think that's incredibly rare.
     
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    ^^^ very few college athletes make it to the pros. In my masters program I had two OU athletes who got their degrees for free, while riding the bench in football and women's soccer.

    I understand a Lonzo, Shaq, etc etc not taking college serious. They are rare. And I don't blame the university's. The opportunity to take it serious is there.
     
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    1) Let players in whatever sport go directly to the pros if they want to. If they go to college, they must stay for 3 years. The only sport this would be iffy in is the NFL.
    2) Let students who pick college have a choice:
    a- take a scholarship and receive a full tuition with a small stipend for cost of living. This is their paycheck.
    b- take the cash equal to your tuition less living arrangements in the dorms. In this scenario, these guys are no longer "student athletes" because there are quite a few athletes that don't take school seriously and might instead want the money. These players will be given resources to learn proper financial restraint.
    3) Any student capable of cashing in on their own likeness gives the NCAA a portion of those sales, but is able to keep what they can. In the future we can look into maybe a fund sharing program, but in this day and age honestly an athlete should be able to earn their own opportunities to market themselves through social media and whatnot.
     
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    I like all of that. Wanna know who doesn't like it? NCAA. They're printing monopoly money.... literally "monopoly" and "money."
     
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    In wake of the recent FBI investigation of corruption involving multiple college basketball assistant coaches and advisors, LaVar Ball claims that he has been approached various times with offers that violate NCAA rules.

    On the CBS Sports podcast “Flagrant Two,” Ball was asked if he has ever received illegal offers regarding his sons.

    “Every summer. They keep coming every summer to get me to say yes,” he said. “They offered you money, they offered to take care of the AAU team [his Big Ballers team], they're gonna give everybody uniforms, everybody shoes. I mean, it's just, any kind of way.

    “But see, the word got out that LaVar don't need that. Someone even had a false accusation that said, 'Oh, LaVar asked me for $200,000.' I was like, 'Wow, that's funny.' What am I gonna do with $200,000? After I've bought a car and paid some bills I'm stuck right where I'm at. So $200,000 ain't gonna do nothing.

    “So me and my wife, we got a job, we do our thing. And the way we pay our boys, whatever car they want, we get it. That's a small price to pay when your kid has a scholarship and you don't have to save no money for that.”

    It sounded like the offers were not high enough for Ball.

    Ball is the father of Lakers rookie Lonzo Ball, current UCLA player LiAngelo Ball and Chino Hills High School junior and UCLA commit LaMelo Ball.

    Ball is the founder of Big Baller Brand, which sells athletic apparel. The brand has also launched signature shoes for two of his sons. The two youngest sons play for his Big Ballers AAU team.
     
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    I agree 1000%. The NCAA would never do it because they'd lose some smallish fraction of a billion dollars. One of the most corrupt organizations in the world.
     
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    i'm not sure if we're talking over each other: my understanding is that you were arguing the players get a free ride to school and should be grateful and capitalize.

    IF that's what you're saying, i lol. if i misunderstood, ok.

    i think any adult should be able to pursue a career. hell, i'd be open to younger than 18 (in europe, they go pro earlier). the nba is complicit in this, as they don't want to mess with their league having to take on serious player development. although the ncaa should fear some of the advances made in the g-league affiliation--long term, this could be the end of duke. problem is that the ncaa still has too much lobbying power. couple more public scandals might end that, though.

    and again: do not try to sell me on the fact that louisville and miami and arizona are the only people cheating. b*******. everyone's cheating. your stool pigeon just had connections to that group. lame lame lame.
     
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    Article in LA TImes says USC is about to get hit hard. I'd bet 100% of Division 1 schools are guilty at some level and the teams in the top 10 in varying sports are DEEP in it. When you're paying student athletes $100K we've got big problems. I didn't even know who that player was. Imagine what the AD and KATs of the league were making.
     
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    right, but they caught this stuff in football in the 80s. what happened? smu got erased from the college sports landscape...and everyone else kept cheating.
     
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