Will The Way The Lakers Handle Nash Now Change Their Future? (ding Article)

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  1. therealdeal

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    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ers-fans-now-but-may-leave-them-smiling-later

     

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    That is an interesting perspective.
     
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    It's the one I've been saying from the beginning. As hard as it is to be patient, the Lakers are playing a long game. It started with Kobe's contract. It's moved on to the way they've handled Nash. We're trying to build cache with the players as far as being the premiere location for Superstar treatment.

    Will that get us some of these big name guys? Who knows? Maybe and maybe not, but it's worth thinking about. Everyone has bashed Kobe's deal to no end, and we've been banging on the door to get Nash out, but it's a long game they're playing here. Treating Superstars like royalty is something we're going to try to foster. We won't ask you to take less cash and we certainly won't treat you like anything other than a King if you come here.

    Again, I'm not 100% sure it'll work, but I've known this was their goal. Build up credibility with the players and convince them that we treat them the best. That's what the Busses and Kupchak are trying to do.
     
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    Durant and Dragic? Sign me up.
     
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    Dragic might be realistic, but there is no way Durant signs here. I'll be shocked if he doesn't end up signing with the Wizards.
     
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    I'm growing tired of this hit or miss tactic. Players seem to be avoiding the Lakers because of this whole "Hollywood act". I'd love to land that "superstar" but maybe assembling a solid cast first is a better way of going about it. I may be wrong but if it ain't working, you know.
     
  7. therealdeal

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    What players are you referring to?
     
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    I'll bet on that one. I think we're a better bet than the Wizards actually. I think the best bet is just staying in Oklahoma, but if not Oklahoma I'm going to say it's here, then Washington.

    If we look at all viable of course.
     
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    I guess what gets me was the whole Carmelo pitch. They had sell him more on legacy and Hollywood exposure than basketball ops. Hell, they even made a video for him with narrated by Tobey Maguire. Meanwhile they miss out on solid players like I. Thomas and Lance Stephenson playing the waiting game.

    When Durant hits the market all bets are off. I hope they try to get him at any cost but just don't do anything cheesy. I guess we won't really see how players view coming to the Lakers until Bryant retires. I might be just a little bitter now because of all the losing.
     
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    They didn't miss out on Lance & IT playing the waiting game. Lance was still a FA when Melo turned us down. IT was a RFA that we likely would have had to overpay for to avoid Sac matching, they sent him to Phx because they were able to work out a sign & trade. We instead chose to get Lin because he's arguably in the same tier as those 2, on an expiring contract, & came with a 1st round pick. Then we chose to sign Jordan Hill to his 2 year deal with a team option so that they can decline his option & let Lin expire if they're able to sign a superstar next summer.

    They aren't giving 8 figure long term contracts to guys like Lance or IT who will be the 3rd or 4th best player on a championship team, they're going for the homerun & I applaud them for that. It takes guts to not accept mediocrity & sign players that will help you fight for the 8th seed just to put a bandaid on the gunshot wound & make some of the fans happy. Championship or bust has always been the motto, & they aren't handing out a big contract unless it's to a player that can bring a championship.
     
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    ^ That's their mentality absolutely. And @five6two they definitely passed on a few smaller names this summer, but their pitch to Carmelo was excellent. He had no intention of signing here, but Kobe convinced him to hear the pitch. Carmelo was so moved by our offer that he began considering us as a viable landing spot only after we gave him that pitch. It was fantastic according to anybody with knowledge of it. The Hollywood bit was only a small part of it.

    I don't know if I agree 100% with their patient plan as far as signing only particular free agents. We saw Dallas fail at that for years. Then again, we aren't Dallas so maybe the situation isn't exactly parallel.

    I think overall it would be better to find their "Monta Ellis" as soon as possible because that's the fastest way back to prominence. Would that mean passing on a couple bigger names? Maybe... But I think it makes more sense to be half-way competitive than to go into a full rebuild if we're trying to attract free agents.

    Then again we've been attached to two names for years and they both come available this summer: Greg Monroe and Goran Dragic. Both are border-line All-Star talent and if we pick up one of them to go with Randle and maybe another top draft pick, things suddenly look much better for us.

    Again though, the main crux of this article isn't their approach to who they want to sign, but how they treat people when they get here. We were really screwed by Stern nixing that Paul trade when it comes to player relations. How do you repair your relationship to Gasol after we give him the boot and he's still here? Then Howard came through and left us. It's important that we re-establish ourselves as a "player's" team. The good Doctor Buss was all about maintaining personal relationships and solid foundations with his players. Jeanie needs to rekindle that and I think the way we're treating Kobe, Nash, and even Pau on the way out of town (that crazy contract offer) are all indicators that we're trying to get back on the horse as the franchise that treats it's players the best in the NBA.
     
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    While true they may have had some time to sign Lance after Melo's decision, it seems like they weren't even interested in trying to sign someone half way decent for the long term. You touched on great points through your entire post, including over paying for mid level talent when they need a championship caliber player. But I ask, how long do they wait to land that homerun before signing someone at least mid level (and a consistent one at that) to a long contract. You got to start somewhere otherwise they'll be stuck in a rebuild for years. It's too early for me to start implying that's what's actually happening (especially with FA's available in the next year or 2) but it's certainly the road they're on.
     
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    I think Kyle Lowry was also available / interested in playing for the Lakers. We couldn't commit though because we were waiting on Melo.

    What happens next? He's leading the Raptors to the best record in the league. I've been saying for years that he's underrated. I don't expect the Raptors to stay this good for the rest of the season, but we probably could have gotten 2 good 2-way players as opposed to gambling for a single / 30-year-old / 1-way star like Melo.

    Oh well.
     
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    i can so envision that first paragraph...watching the presser at work all giddy
     
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    I don't remember him being mentioned with us?
     
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    I remember there being several reports saying how Lakers were at the top of the list for Lowry. I found this on that:

    http://lakernation.com/report-lakers-at-top-of-list-for-kyle-lowry/
     
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    Yeah I just read another article that said we initially showed interest, but told them we were waiting for Carmelo.

    I think all the PG options fell through though once we got Lin. Lin and the 1st rounder were too good of an offer to pass up at the time and I don't think we had enough cash afterwards to pick up Lowry.
     
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    Lakers are always at the top of ALL the lists... and then, nothing happens ;).
     
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    Much different take from the snarky, negative slants from Breshnahan's columns in the L.A. Times Sports section.
     
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    Players are using the Lakers like the NFL uses Los Angeles
     

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