Where Do The Lakers Rank In The Best Young Team In The NBA?

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  1. therealdeal

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    I'm unimpressed with the Suns' talent outside of Booker. The rest of their young guys look like either paycheck collectors, just athletes, or just not good. Bledsoe does an excellent job of helping fantasy teams, but not the Suns. Knight has completely plateaued; he's a worse version of Jordan Clarkson. Alex Len just isn't that great. He's a little too slow to be a starter and he's not talented enough offensively to carve out a great role off the bench. The reason Tyson is starting is because he's more mobile even at his age, that's a bad sign for Len.

    I'm just not impressed with what they've built. Chriss might be something and Booker is a good prospect, but the rest I would put less value in than the Lakers' players.
     
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    I'm a bit surprised. I think it's fairly clear that Bledsoe is far and away their best player.
     
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    Bledsoe is solid but he can only do so much when the 2 best players on his team are Booker and then his backup in Knight. The rest of the team has some talent but it's either older veteran talent (Chandler/Dudley/Tucker), productive but limited upside young talent (Len/TJ Warren) or too young or not enough minutes to contribute (Chriss, Bender, Ulis).

    Anyhow, I'm not saying the Suns have this amazing young core that is destined to replicate the glory days of Nash/Marion/Amare etc. Nor am I overly impressed with what they've done either. This a team seemingly clueless in its direction. I'm just disagreeing with the sentiment that the young talent outside of Booker is "trash".
     
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    So you're saying they need a young, talented PF?

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    Gotcha. I agree with that. Calling them trash would be saying Ingram, Zubac, and to an extent Russell and Randle are trash because they haven't done anything. I don't think any of them are trash, but I do think the Lakers' talent is better. Clearly better in fact.
     
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    Yup. I wouldn't even consider trading this roster for theirs.
     
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    If we keep our pick we are the most potentially talented team out of all teams, but if we lose the pick and sixers get it and a top pick in a very deep draft class then they have the most potentially talented squad
     
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    Utah, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Philadelphia>Lakers
     
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    Lol, I'm not down about it, that's just where'd I'd rank the teams without homerism as KB24 asked. I still have us ahead of some of the teams he listed like Phoenix and Orlando. Utah is ahead because they have an All-Star in Hayward and Hood who can go off at any time for big games. Milwaukee I think needs no explanation (sucks about Parker though), Minny has Towns who I'd trade almost our entire roster for, and Philly has Embiid, Okafor, Noel, and has matched our win total without Simmons playing a single game yet.
     
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    Honestly I'm not concerned about the Sixers as much as everyone else. They had a stretch where they won 10/15 games. The rest of the year? 8-29. Embiid was (and still is) one of my favorite young men to watch. I thought he had Hakeem upside in college and was just giddy about his play... but he spent two straight years not playing basketball and is currently on a 6 game sitting streak and has missed 9 out of his last 10 games. Philly is much farther away than the media folks would have you believe.

    Utah is certainly ahead of us. I'd say Milwaukee and Minnesota are ahead of us, but not insurmountably. Outside of Towns, I'm not sure Minnesota has a knockout. Wiggins is good-probably-never-great, LaVine is out for the year, and Dunn hasn't exactly torn the roof off. Milwaukee sort of the same boat. Besides Giannis, they've got a collection of guys who are fairly average and Parker who I'm starting to think will never be healthy.

    For now though, yeah I think you're right. Those guys have an edge on us. It'd be nice to see a few more Knicks games on the schedule.
     
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    Milwaukee also has Middleton. Easy to forget since he's been injured this season and just came back yesterday but he's solid. Last season: 18.2ppg 3.8rpg 4.2apg 1.7spg 39.6% on threes. Greek Freak + Middleton is one of the better young tandems in the NBA.
     
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    Tell me more about this Dragan Bender kid. Never heard of him.
     
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    I didn't count him because he's hardly ever on the court. John Henson isn't bad either but I don't count him either.
     
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    Middleton played 82, 79 and 79 games the 3 seasons prior to this and averaged 30+ mpg in all 3.
     
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    And he's played in one game this year while battling through injuries in the past. The guy is always a little banged up and of course this year he just couldn't get back on the court after his hamstring tear.

    Either way, if you include him I still don't know what the Bucks are. Parker and Middleton have shown injury concerns. Brodgon is okay. They have Giannis and... who tonight? Who is the threat that's going to beat us tonight outside of Giannis? Monroe? I like Monroe, but he's proven to be an ill fit there and maybe going forward. Henson? He's another guy who can't stay on the floor despite his talent.

    They're ahead of us, but just for now. I don't think they have the overall talent that we have maybe even starting next year if the young guys can catch a little wind in their sails heading into the summer.
     
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    Obviously he's been injured this season and I said that myself but to say "he's hardly ever on the court" isn't really true based on the games/minutes he played the 3 seasons prior to this. Being a little banged up hasn't prevented him from getting on the court in that span. If we are ruling out young talent from this discussion because they missed 50 games in one season or 56 games over the course of 4 seasons, then we need to back and start deleting a bunch of names. If we're going to bring up missing time/injuries, then you can also do so for the Lakers. Russell has missed 16 games this season. Randle missed all but 1 game his rookie year and missed 8 games this season. Nance Jr. missed 19 games last season and 19 games this season. Getting banged up happens. Missing games happens. Unless a player is clearly injury prone and misses huge chunks on more than one occasion - like Jabari Parker - then it's really not worth bringing up in the context of this discussion. I don't think Middleton deserves to be in that grouping anymore than Randle does.

    I don't know where the Bucks are. All I know is Greek Freak + Middleton are two really really good young talents. After that, Brogdon was a 2nd round steal and sure first All-Rookie 1st teamer. Vaughn and Maker have upside but the former is stuck behind more proven options and the latter is still 19 and raw. Parker is obviously solid but his injuries are a huge issue, now and going forward. Monroe is a good player but has been an ill-fit and is a goner, whether at the deadline or as a free agent this summer. Henson's issue isn't talent but that the team jerks him around with his minutes. I know this as a fantasy basketball player. They don't seem to have the right mix there yet but in the context of this discussion, they belong in the discussion of teams that have solid young talent going forward and it's mainly because of that top two.
     
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    Outside of one sentence about Middleton not being on the court, all you did was agree with everything I said already? :Kareemlook:

    And while the literal "he's never on the court" was an exaggeration, I stand behind the concept: he hasn't been on the floor at all this year. That's different from a guy missing some games. We're talking about over 50 games missed. And even so I think Russell and Nance Jr. have some legitimate injury questions.
     
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    Not true. He played 2 days ago.

    And yeah, he missed 50 games due to an injury. It's less than the 81 games Randle missed 2 years ago with his injury yet you didn't mention him as having "legitimate injury questions" when listing out Lakers.
     
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    Jesus man are you serious? He played 15 minutes in 51 games. It's semantics.
    I don't think he does at this point. He missed 8 games this year and 3 of them were with a freak bout of Pneumonia for a 22 year old. It's a little different from Nance Jr. getting a non-contact bone bruise and Russell spraining his MCL awkwardly on some fairly routine contact. I'm not blowing any minds here saying Russell and Nance Jr. are potential injury concerns.

    If you want to include Randle, that's fair too although I think he's mostly past the injury concerns from when he was drafted.
     

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