To Serve And Protect

Oh my gosh I've seen this one... Not dangerous to the officer really, but truly stupid. The worst kind of stupid. The kind of stupid that think they're smart and above everyone else despite spouting stupidity... Yeesh.

I've always thought about being an officer because I have a desire to help people and I think that's what an officer is supposed to be about, but having to deal with that is a pretty unenviable task. Of course that and the murdering, life endangering, horrifying experiences that come from being a police officer.

 

First, not true. Police have more contact with blacks in inner cities, but the majority of police interactions are with whites in the US, which makes sense because blacks are only 13% of the population, while whites are around 63%. In 2013 whites accounted for 6,214,197 arrests, while blacks only accounted for 2,549,655.

Most statistics that are complete enough to draw a conclusion from, account for the disparity in arrest numbers by only counting the percentage killed by police during arrest, such as what I posted earlier. So as you can see, police are way more likely to kill a black person they are arresting than a white person, even though they arrest way more white people:



"To be clear, the above chart deals with people being arrested by the police. In other words, police shoot and kill black people they are arresting far more often than they shoot and kill white people they are arresting."

See above

It is terrible that innocent police officers that I would bet were good men and women trying to do a good job, have been targeted and killed by lunatics, but I agree with real on this one. It doesn't feel right. Like there is an agenda being pushed here that is not happening organically.

Still, officers like yourself, that excuse and diminish every police killing don't help the situation. If you and a good number of the police would look at this objectively, you would not be able to defend some of the videos you've seen. BLM is a product of you, not holding your fellow officers accountable if they very obviously commit a crime. Police need to police themselves, and they are not.

Then you have other officers taking their hate for BLM to the extreme, and calling the protesters target practice on FB, or calling for citizens to run them over and explaining how they can get away with it:



That was posted by Sergeant Jeffrey M. Rothecker of the Saint Paul Police Department .

And fear mongering

"Sheriff Ric Bradshaw of the Palm Beach County Sheriff’s Office was speaking to a crowd of the “dangers” of protesters who block highways in attempts to bring attention to the police slayings of American citizens."

"“With our limited budget, we just don’t have the manpower to be policing the community like we should be. You should be very concerned if you come across these protesters because they are very violent thugs and have even killed white people with hammers in other parts of the country. Now they are blocking the roads with their arms in barrels and we just don’t know what those barrels contain. The all we know, they could contain weapons to use when unsuspecting drivers get close. If you see these people, stop your vehicle as far as possible and back away before they can attack.”"

Who's talking about the media. I'm talking about Youtube.

If these crazy unjustified killings of blacks happened to white people too, nearly as often as blacks, it would be all over youtube, and some conservative news organization or at least a blog, would have compiled it to counter BLM argument, and say "See, it happens to whites just as much". That compilation doesn't exist, because it doesn't happen to whites as often.

 

By the way we solved about 90% of the problem right here in this thread: body cams.

Still waiting on somebody to prove that one wrong and tell me why it won't work.

Everybody in the media and on both sides of the fence are busy pointing fingers and shouting, but where are the solutions? Protests are great, but nobody is providing ANSWERS to the problems. Here's one! Body cams! Nobody can lie if everything is on tape. We see the entire thing unfold.

Obviously the other part of the problem is the perceived persecution, which I think now it can be safely said goes both ways. Now both sides understand the sting of feeling persecuted, so there's common ground to lean on. THAT is the side of the argument that needs to be talked out in a progressive way. The violent side, the literal side, can be fixed with body cams and there's nobody that has told me why it can't happen besides that it would cost money. If that's what it costs right now, then so be it. It's better to spend money than lose lives on either side.

 

Besides money, these are all things we can work on/with to improve. Functionality can be improved with innovation and research.

The money issue is real and one that all departments/cities/states would have to struggle with, but the cost is is something we'd have to all swallow in order to come to a reasonable conclusion.

I know the solution is imperfect right now, but it's the best way to start in my opinion.

 

A few stats in a vacuum can be manipulated. You can't manipulate every stat on killings, arrests, court representation, ail sentencing, pretty much everything that shows a clear racist trend.

That conclusion doesn't follow, but more importantly, do you know who you're quoting there with that very official looking "study"? The New Century Foundation is a white supremacy outfit.

From the Wiki:

"New Century Foundation

The New Century Foundation, founded November 1990 and based in Oakton, Virginia, is a "self-styled think tank that publishes a monthly journal and a Web site called American Renaissance. Also hosts biannual conferences. The Foundation promotes pseudoscientific and questionably researched and argued studies to validate the superiority of whites."[1]

The Foundation is headed by Samuel Jared Taylor, "author of Paved With Good Intentions: The Failure of Race Relations in Contemporary America, a 1991 book that documented fundamental problems with U.S. policies on civil rights, crime and welfare. ... But Mr. Taylor was criticized as an advocate of 'the new white racism' by conservative author Dinesh D'Souza, whose 1995 book The End of Racism reported many of the same racial problems Mr. Taylor had examined in his earlier book."[2]

"Presenters at conferences have included Samuel Francis and Gordon Lee Baum of the Council of Conservative Citizens. Attendees have included Don Black, operator of the white supremacist Web site Stormfront, and National Alliance leader Kevin Alfred Strom. Taylor has been a board member of the Council of Conservative Citizens, and is on the advisory board and has contributed to the racist journal Occidental Quarterly."[3]"

and

"This is an organization and publication written by a man (using the term loosely) named Jared Taylor. Jared Taylor, who heads the New Century Foundation and edits its American Renaissance magazine, presents himself as a cosmopolitan, open-minded thinker not afraid to take on the taboos of his time without stooping to racial epithets and the like. But, in fact, he is a man who promotes the idea of America as "a self-consciously European, majority-white nation". In 2002, Taylor published an article by race scientist Richard Lynn ( Lynn has ties to the Pioneer Fund a group that had contacts with many of the Nazi scientists in the 30s whose work provided the conceptual template for Hitler's aspiration toward 'racial hygiene' in Germany) The article that Taylor published titled "Race and the Psychopathic Personality" argued that blacks "are more psychopathic than whites" and suffer from a "personality disorder"."

Somehow all the encounters with black people, the officer is in danger, but in the encounters with whites they aren't?

No, you just don't seem to think anything is racist. You talk about racism like it's one guy somewhere in Mississippi somewhere that's racist. A myth that doesn't really affect anyone. I'm not, and have not said every encounter and shooting is racist, but I also know racism not only exists, it's alive and doing quite well right now.

Did I retract my judgement? He had a gun? Yeah, and he had two officers sitting on him with the gun in his pocket, apparently so deep the officer had to dig to get to it.

Have I said this is all about white police officers killing black? No, I've been pretty consistent in saying it's a police officer problem, regardless of the race of the officer.

No, you also work in a major metropolitan city, which is where black criminals would be. The problem I have with what you're presenting is that it seems you think most police departments, crime rates, and officers are basically the same across the nation, and they aren't. As the old joke goes, you have like 5 major cities with big black populations. Other than that, the country is full of poor white folks doing most of the crime.

Actually I am.

I've been training for the past month, and I take the C.H.I.P in August..... Wish me luck

 

And the latest thing. At least this guy survived, but what the hell?

 

I don't get it. Glad he lived. Actually surprised they didn't shoot the Autistic kid since he had the toy in his hands. The cops response is just "WTF?!?!?!"

 

I'm hoping his gun accidentally discharged

 

Like this one? She looks like Barney Fife from the Andy Griffith show.

 

Just stupid. I've talked about it before, but a friend that's a cop got shot accidentally by his partner. Eight years on the force, on the SWAT team, he's never once shot anybody, but the one time he gets shot, it's by his partner being careless.

 

Come on man, WTF is going on right now?

 

I'm not psychologist or anything, but I'd have to assume this is fear coupled with poorly trained officers? I don't know. Awful though. Whoever shot that man needs to be fired for negligence and held responsible for the damages to that man. Awful.

 

I think a lot of it is a combination of poor mental and psychological support. Being a cop is a super hard job, and people don't think about mental health enough in stressful jobs. Cops try to white knuckle it, and I don't think anyone can do the job they do without some PTSD eventually.

 

Absolutely I agree. Being a cop is one of the most stressful jobs in the world and they don't get enough credit for it, especially these days. That doesn't excuse things like ^^ that but it puts in a better context at least. Obviously you have to be punished for what happened, but I hope the cop is at least human enough to apologize and cover his/her mistake. It's also time to find another job in a line of work that's not so stressful.