To Serve And Protect

I am an anarchist.

 

Handle it all privately, set up a private police force, for instance, or have no police force. Those are some options. There are lots of others. Here's an article that might interest you:

http://c4ss.org/content/22875

Btw, I am an anarchist, but people probably have strange views about what that means. It means that there should be no government that is forced upon someone. That's it. If people want a government, they can form it. If people don't want it, they don't get one. The most important rule - for there are surely rules for (most) anarchists - is this: you don't have the right to force anyone to do anything. What you owe everyone is respect, even if you disagree with them. So I'm not preaching violence; I think violence is disgusting and always shows that something has gone wrong. I'm an anarchist who loves humans, freedom, life, and wishes well for everyone.

 

I don't think it's d***ish or aggressive. I think it's wrong though. Hope that doesn't seem d***ish or aggressive.

 

I'm either going senile, or this is the first I've heard of this lol. I thought you always represented yourself as being more Libertarian than anything else in your views.

 

There are no legitimate politicians. Anyone who would run for office is corrupt or would be corrupted.

I think true libertarians are anarchists. Too many self-identified Libertarians are simply Republicans, so I'll sometimes clarify that I'm an anarchist to distance myself from those.

 

This would not imbed, but please watch. A vocal critic of the police went through 3 scenarios and ended up changing his opinion on the police and offers sage advice for everyone.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/an...a-county-sheriffs-office/#wbUmwRVvSTt8KKFz.97

 

I'll check it out, but the problem isn't "if you train with them..." it's that you simply should not get involved, period. Like when you decide to "clean house" and hire only outsiders because they're free of the taint of the place. There are many places where law enforcement does not carry weapons despite the fact that the citizenry at least sometimes does.

If you view "law enforcement" as a war, have "threat matrices" and the like, you shouldn't be surprised when police kill and abuse people. In fact, when your whole uniform and mannerism is designed to hide (speed traps) or intimidate (a**hole sunglasses, militaristic apparel), you should not be surprised when you see many situations as "It's them or me - and I'm coming home one way or another."

 

I hope no one would deny that the police have to make some split second decisions on how to react to situations. The scenarios this pastor went through do happen for sure. I think most of us would shoot if we were police and put into those situations. The problem with how they relate to the stories that have been in the news lately is that it suggests these scenarios are similar, and all too often they either plainly are not similar, or the facts are in question.

Also... Just comply?... sometimes the answer should be a resounding NO... we have no rights in this country if we know our rights and are forced to give them up the second a police officer tells us to.

 

Those are descriptions of the situation that you believe, not a description of those situations that I believe. I've already gone over the facts of why I feel that way a few times in this thread, so I'll leave it at that.

 

If that were 100% the case, police officers and departments could not be sued for violating your civil rights regarding compliance, but they can be sued, and can lose the case. So legally, an officer can take action that is not upheld as legal in the process of an investigation.

But leaving the legal side of the argument aside... do we have any rights if someone can just walk up, and demand compliance with threat of jail or worse, with any command they give?

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/11/o....html?rref=collection/column/nicholas-kristof

 

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not saying people don't ever have to comply with the police if there is a legitimate investigation, for instance, I'm talking about an officer coming up to you and saying they want to see your ID with no probable cause and no laws in place like stop and frisk. That happens, and people don't need to comply in those cases. The person might find out after the fact that there was a legitimate reason the officer asked for ID (probably after going to jail), but sometimes there isn't a legitimate reason, and the citizen is under no obligation to show ID.

 

Just an FYI: I could listen to Kareem share words of wisdom all day.