Timofey Mozgov Discussion: Shut Down For Season (66)

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  1. sirronstuff

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    But Los Angeles is MAGIC!!!! As soon as journeymen ballers arrive, new life is breathed into their body, and they play better than they ever have before. No names become All Stars in LaLa land. Everyone's game peaks in LA, and when we put together the magic of everyone's best game together, playing at the same time in perfect unity and harmony, we make the Finals with scrubs, and there is no such thing as a bad contract.

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    only thing that bothers me is the 4th year, really. other folks paid similarly are disappointing similarly, so unless we planned on pocketing the cash another year, i'm not sure what else could be done. durant wasn't walking through that door.

    although i will use this platform to once again state that i wanted bogut/barnes prior to the offseason (figuring durant went to gs). i think we'd be in the playoffs had that happened.

    but the other guys people wanted: mahinmi, biyombo...same or more money, similar or less production, worse roster fit.
     
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    Trade him to Minn for Pekovic... dude contract expires next season. Maybe Minn will think they need Moz vet presence lol, towns could hide some of Moz weak D
     
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    Pekovic is about to hang them up, poor guy is done...
     
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    that was my intention for that suggestion, he'll retire when his contract expires....
     
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    Anyone with half a brain knew Mosgov would be useless. Worst signing in the history of the Lakers franchise.
     
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    except for Mitch and Jim
     
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    Dealing with young guys losing is one thing. Knowing you have to watch a giant stiff who whines every play for 3 and half more years is depressing.
     
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    He'll be waived and stretched, IMO.
     
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    See OX .... there you go name calling and hating on him again. "giant stiff". Sigh. The sigh is because you might be right. [​IMG] "Fair and Balanced" LT here. :Laugh: I can laugh at myself if needed. And it might be close to the point of you giving me your email address in a PM so I can paypal you the 10 bucks. (unless perhaps he has some f****** Russian pride and steps his rim protection up). I've seen him jump when he decides to. Well dammit Moz, jump when you're around the f****** rim trying to protect it or rebound.

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    http://www.lakersnation.com/timofey-mozgov-and-the-lakers-center-struggles/2017/01/19/
     
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    [​IMG] OK ..... Where's sirron. You can fix him. You can make him better. How you say? Body shaming on the internet .... silly. Check it. Biff is going to star in a remake of White Men Can't Jump. Not that we can wait that long for graphics to appear. The idea though would be to ridicule him with where some of your fine art creations get sent. To Lakers organizational types and to Lakers beat people, even national types.

    New title of the news about this movie ...... Moz Can't Jump. We've all seen him jump. WTF. What's he saving it for? He's not having a problem fouling out in the minutes Luke needs to play him. F*** verticality and jump. He fouls out he fouls out. Shame his a**!!

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    Please no Sirron, please.
     
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    A waste of cap space.
     
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    Odd isnt it...he looks like he can jump out the building to dunk but when contesting shots, its like his brain doesnt trigger that ability lol
     
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    In fairness to Moz, a lot of those paint points we give up are in transition. We're a bad transition defense team, and it's made even worse when we commit unforced TO's.

    Also, bigs can't always cover for guards who don't fight over a screen. It doesn't matter if they are a "verticality" big like Moz or a legit shotblocker like Zu. There's only so many mistakes bigs can cover before they are in foul trouble.
     
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    Yeah. But I'm conceding here that he is REAL selective about when he will expend the energy to freaking jump. And he hasn't been in foul trouble all that often. Luke's usually only playing him 20 minutes or so.... so what if he gets in trouble? No shortage of guys who can play some semblance of center on this squad. He's not the only one either. Weak sauce to stand there and just put your hands up while the offensive player actually jumps, as if that's enough. Or as if you hope he misses ... oh well you were in position and had your hands up.
     
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    I'm not taking your money LT. Give it to the site. 10 bucks isn't going to fix 5-21 the last 26 games. I feel flaccid.
     
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    When D'Andre Jordan has 9 dunks and shoots 12-13 from the field...thats Mozgov being terrible by default.

    Mozgov doesn't do anything particularly well on defense. He is tall, that is all.
     
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    DeAndre's dunks aren't all on Moz. DeAndre depends on guard penetration to set up easy looks at the rim, especially from CP3. When our perimeter D allows the Clipper guards to enter the paint without much resistance, Moz either has to come over to help or stay on Deandre. When Moz does come over to help, he oftentimes gets nobody who will help him by putting a body on Deandre. It's no coincidence that Deandre didn't perform that well when we played the Clips on Xmas day, since CP3 was absent that game.

    I agree that Moz doesn't do anything great on D, but our defensive issues aren't going to be wiped clean by replacing him with a rim defender.
     
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    I agree with your last statement. But it would do wonders if we had a C that could grap a couple of f*** rebounds and block a shot or 2. Mozgov can't rebound the basketball if his life depended on it. He can't guard the P&R because he is slow. He has been getting owned by every good C in this league...Cousins absued him, so did Dwight Howard, DeAndre Jordan, Hassan Whiteside, Towns, Jokic, Vujevic, Marc Gasol,...Some if those guys had guard support, some didn't.

    As far as Jordan being reliant on guard penetration, certainly thats a legit reason but also an easy excuse.

    Nearly everywhere on the floor, the Lakers are actually not a completely terrible defensive team based opponent’s field goal percentage. The one exception is the paint (Mozgov's domain), where they allow opponents to shoot 65.6 percent, which is by far the worst mark in the league.


    Mozgov is dead-last among centers on the team when it comes to impacting shots at the rim. He even trails power forward Randle in this area, who isn’t good himself either. Adding insult to injury, Mozgov’s rim protection has statistically been worse this season than Hibbert’s was last season.

    Looking at the entire league, Mozgov has the second-worst Defensive Rating for starting centers, and things don’t get much better on the offensive end or on the boards. Per-36 minutes, Mozgov doesn't come close to matching the rebounding numbers of the rest of the front court.

    I might also add, this team is bad defensively overall and in all aspects, period. I'm not saying Mozgov is the reason our defense is the worst in basketball. What I'm saying is that Mozgov is useless. He will have some 15-20 point games and he will have a handful of games with double digit rebounds but for the most part, he is dead weight on the wrong side of the fence (30) and getting worse.

    Those saying look at Byombo and other overpaid Cs...yes, they are overpaid and they aren't offering much more than Mozgov...but Byombo for example is 23...in 3 years he will be much better than Mozgov because even if he might not improve, he isn't going to decline soon either.
     
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