The Official Tank Thread - 2019 Edition

We blew it. We absolutely blew it.

We won against a team we absolutely needed to lose to.

We're likely going to blow it again when we play @pelicans...

I really am not understanding what we're trying to do...playing all the veterans 35+ mpg going all out for wins when they no longer matter?

Our organization can't even TANK right...so disgusted with how this has all played out.

 

as @Weezy noted, Luke is coaching for his next Job, not his fault as he could give zero F's about tanking considering he wont be here next yr.

 

McGee and kcp are playing for contracts, too. We're picking 10th or 11th. Meh.

Deliver Darius, klutch.

 

Has anyone ever got the #1 pick from 10th? I can dream right?

 

Clev twice, once with an unprotected 1st from lac then few yrs later they got it again with the wiggin yr. both times i think the pick jumped from 9th or 10th

 

Seattle jumped from #10 to #2 in 1990...they selected a guy by the name of GARY PAYTON that year
Orlando jumped from #11 to #1 in 1993...ended up with Chris Webber whom they traded for Anfernee Hardaway
Charlotte jumped from #13 to #3 in 1999...ended up with Baron Davis
Chicago jumped from #9 to #1 in 2008...ended up with Derrick Rose
Cleveland (via Clippers) jumped from #8 to #1 in 2011...ended up with Kyrie Irving
Cleveland jumped from #9 to #1 in 2014...ended up with Andrew Wiggins (traded for K Love)

You can see that jumping from 10 to 1 isn't impossible...as 11th jumped to 1 once, and 9th jumped to #1 a few times. Heck, even #8 jumped to #1 once...annd in fact 18 times it's happened that a team outside the top 5 jumped into the top 3.

 

I'm not sold on Zion... He's a stud in College because of his freakish athleticism, but will that really translate to the NBA.? I see him as a souped up Julius Randle. Which is pretty damn good, but not a Franchise Player.
Lakers have just as much of a chance finding a steal in the Top Ten.. I'm not too worried about position in this Draft. Top 10 is an asset.

 

I want a center for the later rounds. Bol Bol for our pick or maybe Tacko Fall undrafted

 

It's either Zion or trade the pick that's my mindset. First sign Kawhi (my dream), then package Ingram (highest upside = most valuable) top 10 pick, Wagner and cap filler for AD.

Zo
Kawhi
Kuz
LeBron
AD

Caruso
Hart
Ariza (vet min)
Jeff Green
McGee (MLE)

3RD stringers just use south Bay Lakers.

 

Worse. From 11th. The 1993 Orlando Magic were a .500 team in the 11 worst spot and got the 1st pick with a 1.52% chance (and took Chris Webber)
The 2008 Bulls were in the 9th worst spot and got the 1st pick with a 1.70% chance (and took Derrick Rose)
The 2014 Cavs were in the 9th worst spot and got the first pick with a 1.70% chance (and took Andrew Wiggins)
The 2008 Clippers were in the 8th worst spot and got the first pick (conveyed to Cleveland) with a 2.80% chance (and took Kyrie Irvine)
7th worst place got it 2X
6th worst place got it 3X
The worst team (or tied for worst) has got the 1st pick a total of 8x. For the last 4 years, the worst team has got the 1st pick.

This is since 1985 when the lotto began so out of 34 years. 2019 Begins the new system with new odds and less chance of the worst place getting the first pick (odds dropped from 25% to 14% as well as other changes). The new system was to prevent as much tanking at the very bottom and fighting for position. Now 1 through 3 worst spots all have an equal 14% at the 1st pick and the difference between the first worst spot and the fourth worst is a 14% chance compared to a 12.5% chance so it's small (before, the difference between first worst and fourth worst was 25% to 11.9%).

It won't stop tanking. In fact I'm amazed the NBA thinks it will even help. The idea was to stop or see less jockeying for position in the very worst spots but I think we will just see it occurring higher up now at the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, etc worst spots shooting for that 3rd slot and equal footing with the worst slot. The fact that the best percentage chance was lowered does not change the fact it's still the best percentage chance and teams with nothing else to play for will still chase it. And with teams in positions 4th and up now tanking harder to improve in hopes of making the worst 3, the current worst 3 teams will need to worry about securing position and continue to tank hard. In other words I think the NBA has just made it even worse with the net effect of having instead of, say 5-6 teams really actually tanking by adding another 3-5 teams any given year to the hunt.

 

has the nba ever given a rationale as to why it won't just do a full lotto (instead of only the first 3, now 4 picks)? keep the odds as they are, but now if you tank to the bottom, you're not necessarily picking in the top 5. that would scare the s*** out of your phoenixes, and would make it so that laker fans right now could be pretty ambivalent about them winning games (as opposed to angry). right now, finishing a game ahead of say, charlotte or whatever, almost definitely knocks us down a spot. if even the 11th spot was done by lottery, it wouldn't matter as much.

 

right. any chance system is going to involve situations where better teams get higher picks on occasion. that's the point. to me, the downsides of lotto-ing the whole thing are less problematic than the upside (which is to seriously mitigate the tanking problem).