The Official Byron Scott Coach Thread 2014-2015

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  1. Barnstable

    Barnstable Supreme Fuzzler of Lakersball.com Staff Member

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    This x100

    I know we haven't looked good so far, but I think the awful depth of our team makes it look much worse for Byron than it would otherwise. Players that would get lost defensively on any team, simply because they're not that good, or old, or don't have a high basketball IQ are playing big minutes. I don't think it's realistic to expect much out of them yet, and that by default would be reflected in how accurately they can run the coaches defensive schemes. Pringles had no defensive schemes. This was proven over two seasons of suck where the players had time to get it, and he had time to adjust lineups to the best effect.

    As I've said before, we've only played 6 games now. I know we've been losing, but it is way to early to throw Byron under the bus as if this is all his fault IMO. We have had spurts where our defense was swarming and stellar. The inconsistency is a sign of a new team + players that just aren't that good overall.

    Offensively it's going to be more of a challenge because we only have one player that consistently scores in double digits (till young gets back), but we're making strides there as well.
     
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    Good statements,@therealdeal @Barnstable . We know we dont have that much talent, especially with our injuries to Young/Kelly/Randle who were borderline capable starters one could argue. But, as Laker fans we needed to hear these truthful facts because even though we got teasers of the team being capable of holding their own against PHO and Clippers, were still adapting to a new system and players still on an every day basis learning about each other.
     
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    We've come a long way in 2 years... at least head coaching wise. Team still sucks tho. :cry:

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    Essentially a 7 man rotation tonight, playing Kobe 12 minute quarters again, c'mon man this crap has been going on for two years now. Game tomorrow night and two more this week, what's the excuse now for playing Kobe like that?

    Can't be running these guys into the ground so early in the season.
     
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    Hey Doc, I think you need a drink my friend.. We had no choice,not going to sit here and argue it. Someone else can if they want.
     
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    These games are a perfect time to see what young players have to offer (JC) or help injured players get back into form (X). We had no choice but to play Kobe two 12 minute quarters tonight?

    I get it people are out and we had a short bench to work with, but that doesn't stop coaches like Pop from managing minutes for his aged veterans, why should we have "no choice" when it comes to managing ours?
     
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    Trust me I wanted all the minutes in the world to go to Clarkson but hes obviously not ready.. Henry looks NOTHING like his old self and playing at a very low level. Because the Spurs have depth and good players at several positions and theyre going to go DEEP into the playoffs if not win it all again, Kobes conditioning is excellent and hes fresh from taking over a year off,those are three good reasons.
     
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    I agree with Doc and agreed with Ras in the game day thread. Way too many minutes for Kobe tonight. I get that Byron wants a win on the road. But it just isn't worth it. And we didn't win anyway. Don't fall into the D' Antoni, Mike Brown trap. Stop overusing him. It's a long freaking season and it's his 19th. Manage those damn minutes. 37? With a back to back on the road tomorrow? WAY too many minutes for Mamba. Cool that out B.
     
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    In general though I like that the team is playing hard. They are getting better. Most nights we are outmatched talent-wise. At least we are scrapping and I think that speaks to Byron's coaching. I didn't see much of that with 'Antoni. Yes, the offense isn't great but I think it will improve.
     
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    This better not be a trend Byron:shake: I know he's under pressure and wants to win but damn, Kobe will go down and then what?
     
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    I've watched players getting in each other way countless times on offense in 7 games ... This thing needs to be corrected .

    You got to run sets to try getting quality looks ... It's possible even with little talent .

    A midrange shot by Hill in a 2 for 1 situation down the stretch summarizes how bad Scott has been so far .
     
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    I was never sold on Byron as a coach. Sure he's a fan favorite and I like him as a player but never a coach. He did good with the Nets but I think that was because they had kid running the show and a good supporting cast (by east standards). He's been coaching for what, 10 years now and he can't call any offensive plays? Most of the time the guys settle for a mid range jumper or Kobe chucks it, I mean c'mon. I would be happy to see them run plays and get looks based on his coaching and miss the shot, opposed to running around doing nothing and shooting mid range jumpers. And the defense he's been preaching since day one, anyone know where it is?
     
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  13. LaVarBallsDad

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    5. The Lakers take a lot of long twos, and don't shoot them too well
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    Ignore the vast red beyond for a moment. We're focusing on the wide yellow zone here. In this shot chart from NBA.com's stats page, we see that the Lakers take a ton of mid-range jumpers, but don't shoot them at league average. The Lakers are 24th in the NBA in field goal percentage on shots 15-19 feet from the basket, yet L.A. is No. 1 in the league in long twos attempted per game. That seems like a bad combination!

    6. The Lakers are three-averse
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    Only one team takes threes less frequently than the Lakers (Minnesota), even though L.A. is about middle of the pack in shooting percentage from downtown. The coach has said he doesn't think teams win championships by relying on threes. He should meet the last several NBA champions.

    Anyway, it could be a case of the Lakers heretofore only taking the most obvious threes. If they took more, their shooting percentage would plummet. Regardless, this is an issue that can be resolved when Nick Young is healthy ... supposing Scott doesn't get in Swaggy's way.

    http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/11/11/7185595/la-lakers-kobe-bryant-byron-scott-charts
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Nov 12, 2014
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    This. Seven games into the season I don't think it's remotely fair to be judging the product so harshly. A lot of the players on our team are either hurt or wouldn't be on a 90% of NBA teams. I happen to like Ronnie Price, but on most other teams he's not a rotation player. Xavier Henry isn't healthy yet. Wesley Johnson might not be on an NBA roster if it wasn't for us. Sacre is a 3rd string big man playing too many minutes. If we had a more solid team, I'd expect more solid production. As things are I think he's doing a completely average job with the Xs and Os.

    The minutes for Kobe are really my only true complaint. I'm more understanding of the offense being crappy. I like that the defense has improved pretty much from game to game... But the minutes for Kobe should be around 30-32 right now. It's early in the year. It's clear we're not competing for the playoffs anymore. What's the rush? We ALL want to win, but it's time to develop some guys. Clarkson needs more run to figure out the pace of this game. Unlike most rookies, Clarkson is a step ahead of everything offensively. He wants to do too much. He needs time to figure out how NBA offenses play out on the court. With Young out and Ellington away from the team it's a perfect time to see what this kid's got.
     
    therealdeal, Nov 12, 2014
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    Give our young players some time, develop them. We're not winning anyway, and there is no reason to destroy Kobe's knees in the process.
     
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    These charts are pretty revealing. It's widely regarded that stastistically the worst shots in basketball are long 2s. Layup/dunks, freethrows, and 3s are the most efficient ways of scoring. If you're going to take a long 2, you're better off just taking a step back and taking a 3 instead. Im actually surprised that we're midpack in 3pt %.

    Byron may change my mind at the end of the year but I was never high on the Byron signing. He's an average coach to me.
     
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    How many times does Kobe have to go on an 0-4 stretch at the end of the quarter before Byron realizes he's tired and needs to come out? Every game I'm disliking this guy more and more.
     
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    I was fearful of mediocrity before Byron was hired and his past few coaching stints had me nervous. I'm not ready to throw him under the bus because of the circumstances so far, but I am getting more and more concerned.
     
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    [​IMG] Mark Medina @MarkG_Medina · 21m 21 minutes ago
    Byron Scott: "That's been the worst defense I've seen."

    You freaking think? You're starting Booz, Wesley, and Hill in a starting lineup. This is almost as good as him saying he wanted to create offense for Wesley.
     
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