The Official Byron Scott Coach Thread 2014-2015

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  1. DjBelvedere

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    Well I see us in 20 games to Sacre as the starting C ... This is just insane right now.
     
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    We're not focused on anything, period.
     
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    @RandleROFY and @lakerjones I'm not defending him as a good coach, just saying he's obviously trying to lose. Everything he does needs to be looked at through those glasses. If he was trying to win, he'd have made the adjustments WE'VE all seen, right? He wouldn't be rotating guys OUT of the lineup when they're getting hot offensively.

    Maybe his schemes are flawed because he's making them that way. Huge conspiracy, I know, I'm just trying to figure this all out. Management is clearly tanking, maybe Byron isn't, but I tend to think he's on the same page as Mitch and Jim. He's not been a great coach by any means, but maybe there's a reason he's as bad as he's been. And of course our roster is awful anyway, so it matters very little.
     
  4. LaVarBallsDad

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    I respect that. I'm not here to force-feed anybody on my opinion about Scott. If others need to make a determination on Scott's coaching ability with a more talented roster, I respect that, too. Personally, I've already reached a conclusion about Scott, and until otherwise, I'm sticking with it.
     
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    That's fine. Worst case scenario he's a stopgap until we throw buckets of cash at Ollie to try to lure Durant here.
     
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    We're not trying to lose. Not yet anyways. I know it makes the losing easier to swallow if somehow we are tanking but we are not, not yet at this point in the season. Byron is just clueless. He's a below average coach.
     
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    I'm not nearly as down on Byron as many are here. I was fine with hiring him, although I would have preferred Lionel Hollins. I still don't have a problem with him in fact, except that I think Kobe's playing too many minutes and I think Lin should start in order to see better basketball. Price as a starter is just unacceptable. Davis and Lin play well together. Let's see that instead in the starting lineup now. Maybe he did it because he didn't want to single out Boozer. I don't know.

    I'm not sure I'm buying that Scott is trying to lose on purpose though. But I do agree that the FO seems to be fine with tanking.
     
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    I rag on Boozer all the time because he's horrible on defense and I don't like his midrange game - but the guy is a positive teammate and a Vet. When he was benched, Byron should've told him and Jeremy first before telling the media. That was F up number one, as far as "backing your guys up," goes and being a good coach.

    Instead of that, Scott told the media that Booze and Lin got benched, and then had a private conversation with Lin about it - but never even talked to Boozer because "he's not a young guy like Jeremy. He gets it." Wtf, kind of quote was that. Couldn't believe that S when I read it.

    The fact that Scott benched Boozer and then never even cared to have a face-to-face conversation with Booze is just so socially stupid and a horrible move for team morale. What is the team supposed to think when they see one of their teammates get benched, and then the coach doesn't even talk to them about it? Seriously. What the F kind of message is that? "Be afraid?" lol. Go ahead and bench Booze, but have some dignity and class about how to go about it. It's starting to become painfully clear why Scott lost the locker-room in ALL of his previous stops - and this is without even starting the conversation about actual X and O's and rotations.
     
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    ^ Gangsterbomb, I agree that BOozer for all the shots taken at him deserves the respect to be told first. I would think that this courtesy shows he is held in good esteem and aids his preparation for the game and press questions to come. I do feel that this move would never end well, and at the least Byron would get a few short armed shoves on the way out of his office from Carlos. All kidding aside it is simple and decent to have let him know. Am I wrong or didn't Odom find out he was traded and not traded by hearing it via media during the CP fiasco? That was on Mitch that time and we generally give him a pass for people skills.
     
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    I would bet Kobe's the one demanding enough time on the floor to accumulate points. Byron's probably just accommodating him and if nobody else can provide any offense, he's happy to use him. We might be tanking, but Kobe's going to accomplish his goals this year. Seems that way anyway.
     
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    Good point. I still think Byron is just incompetent based on things he has said and how he's handled several situations. I could see how tanking could be the case though.
     
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    Yeah I'm suspicious about giving instructions to the coach about losing games. I think when you have subpar talent and you want to change the culture of an organization, you're likely to perform worse in the short and medium term (same outcome as tanking) while still trying to get the team to perform. So no need to try to lose. Having said that, Byron's probably exploring different combinations of players so the FO has enough info/options about players they might keep while rebuilding. With Lin, if they want to package him at some point, they'd just want him playing in a situation where he looks best (maybe on second unit right now since he's too inconsistent with Kobe). All speculation though. That's all we've got.
     
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    Yeah I don't have much of an opinion about Byron as a coach. I think there are some really good points that have been made about some poor decision making. I said tank but personally I'm inclined to believe he's carrying out an agenda of changing the org to get guys to give constant effort and show casing certain players for the FO. But the effect would be the same as tanking. Just my impressions.
     
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    “I don’t massage egos,” Scott said. “I don’t have to go to players and talk to them. At least I don’t make a point to. Jeremy came to me and talked to me about it. I told him what I thought. I thought he handled it extremely well. We went from there.”

    Scott said one of the team’s biggest problems is communication, which leads to breakdowns and mental lapses.

    “You learn that in elementary school. You have to talk to each other on defense,” Scott said. “ … A lot of our stuff we’re doing defensively is not rocket science.”

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/scott-644664-boozer-player.html

    Just posting that for clarification on what Byron said on how he handled the process...
     
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    Wonder if he has an inflated ego. Saying I don't have to go to players and talk to them could mean that or that he's already done plenty of talking at practice and the locker room and that the players shouldn't be surprised by his changes.
     
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    He definitely could have used some of his own advice and communicated with the players. Lol. At least let them know what your gameplan is!

    Regarding the defense, Kobe also mentioned how simple the defensive scheme is. Byron says it's not "rocket science", but Kobe took it one step further and called it very, very basic. He said that Byron really simplified the defensive coverages and packages for the team.

    How much of this falls on the players and how much of this falls on the coach? Are our players really so stupid that they can't run a very elementary defensive scheme, or is Byron not doing enough to get them to understand what we're doing on defense? Like with everything, it's probably a bit of both, but geez, I find it hard to believe that our players are having trouble learning such a simple scheme. Maybe he's already lost the players.
     
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    :rofl:

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    :cry:

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    http://www.nba.com/lakers/video/141208practicebyron

    I couldn't upload the video; it's Byron Scott after yesterday's practice. Some true gems...he thinks the spacing will improve with the 1st unit, team needs to 'dig down' defensively, etc...really, the comment about the spacing and the 1st unit caught me off guard...sorry, couldn't upload...only a 4 minute video...

    Scott on the offense yesterday

    'Well, we got to get to the point where we're moving the ball a little bit more and our spacing still has to get better...you know and again with Ed I think offensively it helps our spacing because he's a dive guy a roll guy; every-time he sets a screen he tries to get to the middle of the floor and get his head underneath the rim, and that's what we need. Then the other guys can just stay spaced out so I think eventually with this lineup change it will work out a little bit better with our spacing and our offense and we'll just have to wait and see."
     
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    How is the spacing going to get better when there's no three point threat and no offensive threat outside of Kobe and Hills mid range jumper if it's falling?
     
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    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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