Tank Tank Or Tank Tank Tank?

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To Tank Or Not To Tank?

  1. Tank.

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  2. Don't tank.

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  3. Fine with either outcome.

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  1. ElginTheGreat

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    ElginTheGreat, Mar 25, 2017
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    Trade down with sac for both their lotto pick if we end up with #3?
     
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    He's going top five in some mocks. I trade that pick for George though.
     
    trodgers, Mar 25, 2017
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    What could 7th and 8th net us? This is assuming we cant trade for pg13 and we're not in love with anyone at 3
     
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    Not sure. It's a deep draft. Lots of contributors.
     
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    I don't think Fox has even near Wall level athleticism. I stick by my comparison to Beverly.
     
    therealdeal, Mar 25, 2017
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    You could argue Wall is a top 5 athlete in the NBA.
     
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    :Kareemlook:

    ...you do that.

    i agree. fox is crazy athletic, folks. and he's half a foot taller than beverly, who's not crazy athletic.
     
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    FWIW: Wall's vertical was 30/39 (no step, step) at the Combine. Fox's is 34/39.5, but I've also seen some say Wall's is 43.
     
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    Wall is the fastest player I've ever seen end to end on the court. I've seen him live and it's shocking.

    Fox is not that fast. Not even close.
     
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    The only person I've seen live that I would put in the category with Wall is Iverson. Wall can really move.
     
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    scouts list his athleticism as "explosive" and his body control as "outstanding", which matches a) my eye and b) descriptions of wall.

    wall's obviously better. he was the #1 overall pick when he came out (by a longshot), and is an nba superstar who should probably be in the mvp race this year. that's why i said "if you squint".

    pretty sure fox will be closer to wall than beverly, though, who was drafted last, spent time overseas, and bounced around the league before finding a role. as recently as last may, people thought houston wouldn't be able to unload his modest salary in trade, and they were looking to do so.

    anyway, this unimpressive player just mopped the floor with this forum's chosen savior, so what does that say?
     
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    Don't squint?
     
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    I don't think I called Fox unimpressive. I said he wasn't John Wall which is a comparison I just don't understand. If I squint at Nwaba he looks like Randle, but that's because I need glasses and they both wear arm sleeves.

    Fox is a tremendous defender and has really grown with his point skills in terms of leading his team. He's not a consistent shooting threat. He has very good leaping ability in space.

    Wall is the fastest player on the court and his offense is predicated off that. It wasn't until the last couple seasons that Wall was really able to find the balance between his athleticism and his skill level. Up until then just about everything he did was made possible by his ability to run past anybody to get to the rim or leap farther than anyone else could. Fox doesn't have either of those abilities.

    My comparison is what they look like now. Could Fox be an MVP candidate PG one day? I mean maybe, but I don't see it. I could see him being Teague one day or maybe George Hill with a little more explosiveness. Right now though he profiles as a defense first lead guard which Beverly is. I don't see it as an insult or unimpressive.

    As for his comparison to Ball, it's a legitimate concern that Ball can't create for himself against NBA defense. I like Ball but I've been saying that for months. Ball's inability to get into the middle of the court and be a threat is an issue. Still, his ability to run an offense and bring a winning attitude to a program is not something easily written off. Ball took a middling program and turned them into a great one overnight. He wasn't alone, but he was the leader. We have no kid on our team with that sort of clout. They could learn it to an extent but it comes naturally to Ball. Ball will need to grow and won't turn us into a 40 win team by himself, but he could help foster a culture of unselfishness on a team that needs it.
     
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    not sure what you're doing with this. equating comparing fox to wall (something that has been done since before fox went to kentucky) and comparing a sg to a pf (whose games are only comparable due to lack of shooting ability) is...not sensible.

    some of this sounds like stuff said about wall during his year at kentucky. and it seems like you're suggesting fox isn't generally the fastest guy on the floor. he is. again, it's usually the first thing mentioned in a scouting report--his impressive end-to-end speed.

    again, this will be turned into me saying fox is wall (which i didn't). but i'm defending the comparison.


    yeah, it's sort of an easy bet to say a player's not going to be an mvp candidate and perennial all nba player. if we just want to play the percentages, ball, fox, or whomever is more likely to be george hill than john wall. hell, they'll be lucky to be george hill. ball included.

    i think expecting an nba rookie to shift a culture is going way overboard. jason kidd (the ball/kidd comparison is like the fox/wall comparison, imo) couldn't even do that early in his career.

    and you grant it, but i still think ball is getting too much credit for ucla's improvement. lots of factors there.
     
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    On my phone. I'll respond later.
     
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    Jackson had a bad game, too. LOL. That's what I get for criticizing Ball and his game against UK.

    Question: do you guys want to wait 2-3 years for another prospect to develop if we keep the pick?
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Mar 26, 2017
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    obviously, it depends on the market, but if we keep this pick, i want to trade it. and i probably want to cash in a couple of the other young guys in a separate deal. i think that's probably what the FO is thinking, too, just reading tea leaves...
     
    abeer3, Mar 26, 2017
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