Tank Tank Or Tank Tank Tank?

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To Tank Or Not To Tank?

  1. Tank.

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  2. Don't tank.

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  3. Fine with either outcome.

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  1. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    Why would Minnesota or Orlando give up a 1st round pick for Lou Williams? Do they want or need Lou Williams? Besides, those picks are lottery picks. A kid in the lottery is worth far more than Lou Williams. Milwaukee is the only team that could flirt with the idea, but a small market team is unlikely to jettison a 1st for a guy who is clearly a backup.
    Yes the chance to get a player that the organization feels strongly about is far more valuable than Jordan Clarkson. It's easy to point to misses, but no organization picks a kid expecting a miss, they pick a kid they feel strongly about or they trade the pick. Booker was 13th, LaVine was 13th, Nurkic was 16th, Antetokounmpo was 15th, Steven Adams was 12th, and Kawhi Leonard was 15th. Teams, especially in this NBA, would absolutely want the chance at those players instead of Lou Williams to make some sort of playoff push.
     
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    You haven't answered my question. Is Clarkson better than Mudiay or Hezonja? What about Dunn? And since you were quite high on Mudiay pre-draft, here's an excellent quote from another brilliant basketball mind:

    "Emmanuel is maybe not as quite as explosive as John Wall. It’s close. But at this stage in this career he’s more advanced as a point guard. And I think John Wall is now one of the elite guards in the league, and I think Emmanuel can be that.'"

    - Larry Brown

    Shows how much of a crap shoot the draft really is.
     
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  3. therealdeal

    therealdeal Moderator Staff Member

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    I'm sorry I assumed your question was a macro question of value in particular points in the draft. If you're talking about specific team make-up, that's a different subject.

    Mudiay: I think Denver values Mudiay higher than Clarkson. Their numbers are fairly similar right now, but Mudiay is younger and cheaper. Clarkson I think is a better scorer, but Mudiay has been a better overall player this year. Either way, that's my opinion. Denver I'm sure after investing a high pick is more interested in Mudiay than Clarkson going forward. I'm absolutely positive they value him today higher than Clarkson and if we offered Clarkson for Mudiay they would say no.

    Hezonja: I'd say Clarkson is a better player than Hezonja, but Hezonja is a SF more than a SG. The better question is: is Clarkson or Lou better than Jodie Meeks, DJ Augustin, or CJ Watson? All of which I'd say Clarkson is better than. However, that's really not relevant. The relevant question isn't if Clarkson is better, it's if Orlando wants him and for what would they give up to get him? Would they give up Ibaka, Jeff Green, or Vucevic for Clarkson? No. They certainly wouldn't attach a first to one of them included with Clarkson. Would they trade Meeks/Watson/1st for Clarkson? Probably not. That's not a forward move.

    It doesn't really make any sense for them to move a pick AND those players for a guy who has proven that he's a bench scorer and that's it. Right now Orlando has the 8th pick in the draft and Denver has the 15th. Those are strong picks who could definitely net them a player as good as Clarkson. Then they don't have to trade the pick AND they keep whatever players they needed to make salaries work in a trade. What's the benefit to them of getting Clarkson? Or Lou Williams?
     
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    OK thanks, I see your point.

    Back to my original post. Why would Philly trade for Clarkson? Because maybe they only want one player in the draft. Maybe they only want Ball, and aren't so high on Monk or Fultz. Maybe they don't want 2 rookies in their starting lineup.

    PG: Ball
    SG: Clarkson
    SF: Simmons
    PF: Saric
    C: Embiid

    Bench: TJ, Stauskas, Bayless, Okafor (or Noel)

    We could throw in Lou Williams and they'd have a complete roster.
     
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  5. therealdeal

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    Or maybe they want to keep both these picks and at worst attach Noel to one and get something really nice out of a team.

    Either way it's all very hypothetical. The reality is most teams are not going to be willing to part with a 1st for our bench players. We could get a drove of 2nd round picks maybe.
     
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    Hi all,

    First time poster.

    I've been advocating trading the vets for a while.

    Lou,Young and Calderon should be movable given their low cost contracts. More so the former two as Calderon is more likely potential salary filler with his expiring deal and not having much value as a standalone asset. If the Lakers don't trade him, I'd do him a solid and release him so he can go to a contender and the Lakers should sign a young PG with upside from the D-League to take his spot. No sense in wasting a roster spot and minutes on Calderon.

    Deng might be movable if some desperate GM out there values his name and leadership and has fond memories of his days with the Bulls but more likely he is untradable as GMs will see an aging overpaid player with mediocre production who has been missing games due to injuries. Mozgov isn't movable. "True Centers" are a dying breed - teams want athleticism and versatility these days - and when you attach age 30 + costly contract + subpar production, realistically the only thing the Lakers would get back is some team wanting to dump a similarly expensive and lackluster player. That doesn't benefit the Lakers any. At the least Mozgov buys time until Zubac is ready.

    So while I think "tanking" is a bit of an exaggeration because the team will still TRY and win with what they have, but in a general sense I do favor tanking by unloading veterans versus just standing pat.
     
    EddieEddie, Jan 25, 2017
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    ^^^ nice first post Eddie2. Welcome to Lakersball.

    :Headbang:
     
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    Great tank game. Tank you guys. Shorting for that second worst record should be our goal...


    Honorable mentions that assisted the tank tonight: the entire starting 5 for the Lakers. Great job.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Jan 25, 2017
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    Screenshot_20170126-000609.jpg
     
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    Why can't we just win the winnable games? I don't wanna spend time on YouTube looking at more young players or trying to figure out our odds.
     
    John3:16, Jan 25, 2017
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    when you lose by 49 to an equally bad team, its not tanking....you're just that terrible.
     
    Khmrp, Jan 25, 2017
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    But I don't WANT TO care about college basketball!!!
     
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    We are terrible.
     
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    My goodness, the same crap for the last 3 years, I don't think my heart can take any more losing or my credit card limit maxed because I need a collecting hobby somehow to fill up the hollowness of another losing season
     
    KareemtheGreat33, Jan 26, 2017
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    I don't care about college basketball much but I'll watch a UCLA game. It would serve 2 purposes:
    (1) Scouting Ball as a potential PG for the Lakers :Magic Brows:

    (2) Watching a good basketball team in Los Angeles - ignoring the Clippers of course. Same reason why I watched USC football and not the Rams.
     
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    We need to sign Kobe for the rest of the season. Put this tank into full gear.
     
    Savory Griddles, Jan 26, 2017
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    Tonight @Utah. Should be another L to add onto our way toward securing the number 2 position for the 2nd worst record behind Brooklyn

    Keep up the momentum guys.
     
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