Tank Tank Or Tank Tank Tank?

ahh Kirk, I thought that was you.
Good to see ya.
Flight815 is a scout transplant as well.
There's "what are you watching" tv thread in here too. Not as epic as our long LOST threads.

 

Hey some fellow LOST Laker fans...welcome to the group

 

Tank all day. Fultz or Ball are better than any player we have!!

 

They're both over the cap. The only contracts are close to Lou are Frye and Korver and the Cavs aren't parting with either.

 

Doubtful, against big league competition. Admittedly have not seen either. Similar learning curve and trials for these young players moving up.

 

lot of "if"s involved in rationalizing a lou trade. you think charlotte and detroit want to give up a late lotto/early mid 1st for a guy to help them lose by less in the first round (at best).

if lou can actually be traded for cauley stein, stan johnson, or the #12 pick, i'm on board. my premise is that his value one the trade market is nowhere near that.

as for improving our lotto odds by getting worse--the lakers are 7-24 in the last 31. they're not catching bkn, and i think most other teams near the bottom have trended up. regardless of trades, they're going to be sitting at 2nd or 3rd to last in the nba when the dust settles, it appears.

if my "if"s are accurate (i think they're more likely than yours, but we'll see), trading lou (or young, really) is going to do very little for the team, save subtract cheap, productive veteran talent for next year, when we hope to suck less.

again, though, we'll see. if lou returns the names being thrown about, i'll gladly eat crow.

 

If Mitch can pull off a Kwame for Pau trade, imagine what he can do with Nick, JC, and Lou... just sayin...

 

I think Charlotte/Detroit could trade their 2017 1st rounder to help them make the playoffs. The latter has already indicated they want to make changes to improve their situation this season. The former turned down a massive trade offer from the C Bags that involved up to 6 picks, including 4 in the 1st round, because they wanted what they perceived to be a more proven prospect in Kaminsky. Both are eyeing short term success. Of course now I emphasize that they "could", not that they would. I'm not their GMs. I don't know. I don't think either idea is outlandish. I am just pointing out trade ideas I would be comfortable trading Lou for. If I am wrong and the market isn't there for that kind of return, then keep Lou. As I've said repeatedly, I'm not saying trade Lou for the sake of trading Lou. The return has to be viable.

Several teams at the bottom have not trended up. The Suns have lost 5 in a row and are currently the 2nd worst team in the league, usurping the Lakers. The Magic are on a 2-8 stretch. The Pelicans are on a 3-7 stretch. The Kings are on a 3-7 stretch. The bottom is so clumped where 8 teams are separated by 4 games between the Suns at the 2nd worst and then a 3-way tie between the Wolves/Mavs/Kings. So I don't for a second assume the Lakers will be sitting at 2nd or 3rd worst in the NBA when the season ends.

Sure trading Lou sounds like it'll do very little for the team if all you are saying is it is subtracting veteran talent and not mentioning getting a 1st round pick, a potentially decent player back and freeing up playing time for the young talent.

This isn't about having to eat crow if you or wrong or who is more accurate. I'd like to think this discussion isn't about that. It's about having opposite opinions and presenting them. If I'm right, I won't gloat. I just want what is best for the team and, as I've clearly noted, it's trading Lou IF the return is viable.

 

Oh sweet, Kirk is here too.

Once again, who is going to want Lou? He's a 12 year vet, owed 7 million a year until 2018. undersized SG,who average 3 apg. Not trashing him, btw, just stating the negatives. A rebuilding team isn't to want him and sure as hell won't give up a draft pick, and the every possible title team already has a player that can do what he does except the Cavs, and unless there's a 3 way trade, it can't work.

 

he's averaging 18ppg in 24 minutes
7 mil is a steal for his instant offense off the bench. undersized and assists mean nothing to Lou..he's doing what he's done his whole career.
Come off the bench..make buckets.

 

I don't think it's just a title contender who'd pursue him. I think teams fighting for the playoffs would want him as well, assuming they have a need for what he brings to the table. This may be a crazy concept to Laker fans who are used to a "title or bust" mentality but other teams do value just making the postseason. That Lou is under contract next year cheaply as well is also a significant factor. The Wizards last year gave up a pick for Markief Morris and at the time they were 23-28. The Pistons were 27-27 and were going to give up a 1st round pick for Motiejunas before the deal got voided due to a failed physical. Examples of fringe playoff teams willing to give up a 1st for role player help. That's exactly the type of deal I'd target.

 

Well if yall think that a non contending team would want him, then you could be right. I respectfully disagree. And his contract isn't bad, it's just tough to find a match with the top teams. If he were making say, $3 million it would be easier. And as noted, GS, SA, the Raptors, Hawks, Clippers and Houston don't need him.

But he is moved, I'll gladly eat trash bird (crow.)