Some Advanced Stats

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  1. trodgers

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    Here's Wes's Position Rating at SF, by games entered:
    Wes Johnson:
    43
    34
    38
    34
    38
    38
    37
    38
    38
    38
    40
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    43
    43
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    43
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    49
    Look at him climb :)
     
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    Updated after PHO game.

    PG (C)
    Lin 75
    Price 63
    Clarkson 55

    WING (C-)
    Kobe 82
    Young 63
    Kelly 59
    Clarkson 58
    Price 53
    Ellington 53
    Johnson 49

    BIG (B)
    Davis 84
    Hill 82
    Boozer 73
    Sacre 65
    Johnson 60
    Randle 21
     
  4. RasAlgethi

    RasAlgethi Moderator Staff Member

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    Curious, going by you're system, what were Kobe's ratings are at his prime?
     
  5. trodgers

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    Kobe posted a 92 in 2002/2004 and in 2005/2006

    I can check more later.
     
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    Kobe is 13th on the advanced stat called "Respect Rating".

    What is respect rating? It's a nice, modern stat to quantify a player's impact on spacing. Kobe is 13th, ahead of the likes of Melo (31st), Westbrook (39th), Paul (45th), Nowitzki (47th), LeBron (73rd), etc. That is how much defenses respect Kobe, despite his age, shooting numbers, injuries, etc. Think about that. Kobe can be shooting 27.5% from 3PT, but it doesn't matter. People will stick to him like glue, and his movements will impact the offense in ways that weren't previously quantifiable.

    To explain "respect rating"...

    "Gravity score" measures how closely a player's defender sticks to him off the ball. Higher gravity scores generally belong to bigs because their primary defender must stay close and also protect the basket. On the other hand, guards typically have lower gravity scores simply because defenders have more liberty to shade off their guy on the perimeter. But elite shooters typically generate more attention off the ball.

    Then there's distraction score, which quantifies how much a player's defender is willing to help off the ball to stop the ball handler. The worse he is as a shooter, the more likely his defender will be distracted by the ball handler.

    "Respect rating" is a composite score that combines the two metrics.

    The top 5:
    1. Stephen Curry (not surprising at all)
    2. Kyle Korver
    3. Klay Thompson
    4. Mike Conley
    5. Gordon Hayward

    Curry, Klay, and Korver are the only 3 with a score above 90.

    Other notable names...
    LeBron is 73rd. Kyrie is 97th. Harden is 6th. Ginobili is 9th. Melo is 31st. Westbrook is 39th. Paul is 45th. Nowitzki is 47th. Damian Lillard is 11th. Rondo is 182nd. Love is 177th (lol).

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...-curry-leads-2014-15-respect-rating-ranks-nba
     
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    ^Thanks Trodgers. Gives a little perspective on where Kobe is now.

    And good stuff thk, never seen a respect score but that's interesting stuff.
     
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    I'm surprised Melo is ranked so low.
     
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    I'd guess his defenders stick to him fairly well, but defenses know he won't pass the ball. All-in-all if I'm coaching a defense against Carmelo I just send the weakside help all the time and double him. Force him to pass the ball which he doesn't want to do. Once he takes and misses the shot, crash the glass with three bodies and have the two that were guarding Melo leak out.

    The one I'm REALLY surprised by is LeBron.
     
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    2 of 3 are warriors, nice
     
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    You just don't leave elite outside shooters open. You do that to the Warriors and things get out of control very quickly.
     
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    How do you play the Warriors with those two guys? They're both quick, move without the ball, and they're ridiculously good shooters. Plus, Bogut can pass out of the middle. It's a well-constructed team.
     
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    Kobe year by year
    96/97 5.9, 2.6, 2.9, 68
    97/98 6.4, 2.9, 2.7, 77
    98/99 6.1, 2.9, 2.7, 73
    99/00 6.3, 3.3, 2.9, 82
    00/01 6.7, 3.2, 2.7, 86
    01/02 6.6, 3.4, 2.6, 86
    02/03 6.8, 3.4, 2.9, 91
    03/04 6.6, 3.3, 2.8, 86
    04/05 6.7, 3.4, 2.6, 89
    05/06 7.2, 3.0, 2.5, 92
    06/07 7.0, 3.3, 2.4, 92
    07/08 6.9, 3.4, 2.6, 91
    08/09 6.9, 3.3, 2.6, 90

    09/10 6.7, 3.3, 2.5, 85
    10/11 6.9, 3.4, 2.4, 89
    11/12 6.7, 3.1, 2.4, 84
    12/13 6.8, 3.5, 2.3, 89
    13/14 5.8, 3.9, 2.1, 75
    There you go - that's year, Scoring, Passing, Hustle, and Positional Efficiency
    Kobe hit the elite level five times, and he hit 99 another three times. 80+ is quality starter, which he was every year from 99/00 to 12/13 (and again this year).
     
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    They are so good and very fun to watch. If they weren't in our division I'd be rooting for them. The way they are going they are bound to be good for quite some time. Tough competition. It still remains to be seen whether they can get over in the playoffs when the game slows down. Also remains to be seen if they can stay healthy given Bogut and Curry's histories.
     
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    PG (C)
    Lin 76
    Price 63
    Clarkson 55

    WING (C-)
    Kobe 83
    Young 62
    Clarkson 58
    Ellington 55
    Price 54
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 49

    BIG (B)
    Davis 84
    Hill 82
    Boozer 73
    Sacre 63
    Johnson 60
    Kelly 60
    Randle 21

    I wanted to point this out: on the season Kobe has produced about 1.03 points per possession consumed, but look at this:

    In his last three games, here are his "old school" numbers:
    32.3 minutes
    16.0 points
    8.7 assists
    9.3 rebounds
    0.7 blocks
    1.3 steals
    46% FGs
    50% 3pts
    77% FTs

    And his Possession Breakdown:
    Shoot / Get Fouled
    .40 Possessions (35 FGA, 11 FTA - one a three-point shot)
    ..48 points produced

    Techs
    .1 possessions
    .2 FTA (I count these as 1/2 possession)
    ..1 points produced

    AST/TO
    .42 possessions
    ..26 AST
    ...17 2-pt shots made
    ...9 3-pt shots made
    ..16 TO
    ....61 points produced

    83 possessions
    110 points produced
    1.33 Points Per Possession

    Much better Mamba.
     
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    :clap: You're doing hell of a job Trodgers.
     
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    Trodgers, do you have any win projections for us?
     
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    Yeah, but let me update it after the W. Hold on a sec.
     
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    Pythagorean says 34. I have 26. Let's say 30? :)
     
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    We'd have to go 23-25 the rest of the way to hit 34 wins. That sounds about right to me. We've been playing close to .500 ball since the bad start.
     
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