Some Advanced Stats

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  1. LTLakerFan

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    Agreed.... shoots the ball well. D League or NBA. Considering his future on line when he goes out there every time he doesn't seem bothered by nerves.
     
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    He has been a very efficient shooter - but he doesn't do it much. 8 shots per 36 minutes?

    There are only 16 players 6'6" and under who shoot fewer than 9 times per 36 and have played at least 500 minutes (and so are relied upon to contribute). Many of them are veteran "control/cool head" type players:
    Iggy, Dre Miller, Steve Blake, Hinrich, Ronnie Price, Thabo.

    Brown averages 2.2 boards and 2.2 assists per 36. He averages 1.0 steals and 0.2 blocks per 36.
    PJ Tucker does significantly better in REB, STL, and BLK.
    Dellavedova better AST/REB.
    Garrett Temple better AST, REB, STL.
    Bazemore: better rebounds, steals, blocks.
    Shane Larkin: better rebounds, assists, steals.
    Prigioni: better ast, rebounds, steals.
    Allen Crabbe: better rebounder, shot blocker.
    Napier: better assists, rebounds, steals.
    Elijah Millsap: better rebounder, thief, shot blocker.

    I'd actually argue that Jabari is outplaying only one of those players:
    Exum: better assists.

    Quick summary: these are limited minutes for Jabari, so when I say "better" I mean better in terms of actual performance so far, but all he has done is shot a good %. 12.2 points per 36 is not very good; 211 NBA players are at 12.2 or below. 272 at are 12.2 or above. This makes Brown's scoring rate very average. I bet if I sort it by wings, he's far below average. I'm not down on Brown. I think he could develop into a scorer/shooter, but his upside might be like Wayne Ellington.
     
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    Oh I don't think he's a star or anything really special. I just think he's an NBAer that's all.

    Ellington might be a good comparison actually.
     
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    It's early :) I think that in time he'll end up doing some things better - like rebounding. Even being a better rebounder would bump that overall number by bumping his Hustle Efficiency. He might even become more comfortable shooting more frequently (he did in college and in D-League).
     
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    ^Shot chart for the season^
     
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    PG
    Lin 80
    Clarkson 72

    Price 63

    Wing
    Kobe 83
    Clarkson 70

    Young 60
    Brown 56
    Price 53
    Ellington 52
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 42
    Henry 38
    Randle 20

    BIG
    Davis 88
    Hill 80
    Black 73
    Boozer 72

    Sacre 66
    Johnson 58
    Kelly 47
    Randle 21
     
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    PG
    *Buycks 96* - don't look at this number
    Lin 79
    Clarkson 73

    Price 63

    Wing
    *Buycks 110* - don't look at this number
    Kobe 83
    Clarkson 72

    Young 60
    Price 53
    Brown 52
    Ellington 52
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 42
    Henry 38
    Randle 20

    BIG
    Davis 88
    Hill 80
    Black 73
    Boozer 71

    Sacre 66
    Johnson 58
    Kelly 46
    Randle 21
     
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    I'm surprised Lin's guard numbers are still better than Clarkson's. My eye test says Clarkson has surpassed Lin as a player or at the very least caught up to him.
     
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    Clarkson's numbers since the ASB:

    PG 81
    WING 78
     
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    That makes more sense!
     
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    I looked on Page 1 of this thread for some kind of template I could use again, but couldn't really find one.

    Trodgers can you breakdown some of these numbers again as far as what they mean? I know you said 90+ is elite.

    Are you calculating these or finding these numbers on a site?
     
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    I calculate them. I'll post a scale to show where other dudes rank.
     
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    PG
    Steph Curry 106.0
    Chris Paul 104.6

    Wing
    Russ Westbrook 107.6
    James Harden 100.5

    Big
    Anthony Davis 109.3

    Top 5 MVP candidates, according to BBREF, going by the position they scored best at.

    @Battle Tested20
     
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    Thanks buddy
     
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    PG
    Lin 79
    Clarkson 74

    Buycks 66
    Price 63

    Wing
    Kobe 83
    Clarkson 72

    Buycks 66
    Young 60
    Price 53
    Brown 52
    Ellington 52
    Johnson 49
    Kelly 45
    Henry 38
    Randle 20

    BIG
    Davis 87
    Hill 80
    Black 75
    Boozer 71

    Sacre 66
    Johnson 58
    Kelly 48
    Randle 21

    Here's some good news, I think.

    Kelly Pre-ASB:
    4.4 Scoring Efficiency
    2.0 Passing Efficiency
    2.0 Hustle Efficiency
    38 Positional Efficiency at Wing
    41 Positional Efficiency at Big

    Kelly Post-ASB
    4.8 Scoring Efficiency
    2.8 Passing Efficiency
    2.2 Hustle Efficiency
    50 Positional Efficiency at Wing
    53 Positional Efficiency at Big
     
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    Doesn't worry you, trodgers, that now surely you're on one of the King's lists?

    Sure is damn odd that early in the season when he should have been "reasonably" fresh and rested, he was sucking compared to prime LBJ. Takes a break to go all the way to Florida just to get his head straight, joints warmed up after the frigid Cleveland cold, whatever ...... except the seemingly big PED question, and comes back looking ever since like LeBron of last 4 seasons. Must have been some great mental and physical exercises his trainer of choice put him through to last through this season and the playoffs.
     
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    I think I've been on the list for a long while ;)
     
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    So many seasons over...

    PG (C+)
    Lin 79
    Clarkson 75

    Buycks 66
    Price 63

    Wing (C+)
    Kobe 83
    Clarkson 73

    Buycks 63
    Young 60
    Price 53
    Brown 52
    Ellington 52
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 45
    Henry 38
    Randle 20

    BIG (B)
    Davis 87
    Hill 80
    Black 75
    Boozer 71

    Sacre 66
    Johnson 58
    Kelly 49
    Randle 21
     
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    SEASON STATS

    PG
    Lin 79 (3.75 Passing)
    Clarkson 75
    Price 63 (3.71 Passing)
    Byucks 63

    WING
    Kobe 83 (6.38 Scoring)
    Clarkson 73
    Buycks 63
    Young 60 (6.18 Scoring)
    Brown 55
    Price 53
    Ellington 52
    Johnson 50
    Kelly 46
    Henry 38
    Randle 20

    BIG
    Davis 88 (3.90 Hustle)
    Hill 79 (3.29 Hustle)
    Black 74 (3.36 Hustle)
    Boozer 72
    Sacre 66
    Johnson 58
    Kelly 49
    Randle 21
     
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