So the only person who didn't "trust the process" in Philly is....

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  1. YoungThundercat

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    Sam Hinkie. He is reported to have stepped down as GM.

     
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    No more extreme tanking?! The conspiracy theorist in me worries the NBA promised Philly the #1 pick in the lottery if they stop the tanking.........
     
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    Regardless of what they say, I think ownership was trying to slowly muscle him out. Putting in another voice at his "level" to start, then that other voice gets 60% of decision making...70%...so on and so forth. They knew he wouldn't stick around for this.

    And then they go and hire Colangelo. Going from intentionally tanking to unintentionally tanking. LOL.
     
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    They're getting the #1 pick now.
     
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    QFT. I hate the NBA draft "lottery", i'm 100% sure it's rigged.
     
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    And probably the 4th pick too as a reward.
     
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    I'm with you guys, this is bad news for that pick. We may still get the 2nd or 3rd, but they're getting the 1st. They're going to reward them one last time for brining in Colangelo and stopping the tanking machine. But man, Hinkie sold that "trust the process" crap to the fans for a few years there, shamefully tanking, fielding a D-League roster, and he resigns, pathetic.
     
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    It would be disgraceful to reward the 76ers with potentially the 1st pick and...possibly (gasp) the 4th pick from the Lakers, for they ruined the spirit of the game from years of extreme tanking.

    Having said that, it does seem the league has a history of rewarding incompetence/crybabies (Cleveland, New Orleans, Clippers from the 90s to 2000s....)

    But wow, if the 76ers do get rewarded at the draft in that fashion, they may be fast tracked into being very good in the near future. I mean can you imagine their lineup if they take Ingram or Simmons at #1 and Buddy Hield at #4. With rumors of Embiid finally looking ready to play and the team wanting to trade Jahlil Okafor (which they can probably get a good, young, starting caliber point guard for...i.e. I think Boston says yes to Okafor for Marcus Smart and other pieces or Atlanta says yes to Jeff Teague sign and trade for Okafor).

    Teague/Ish Smith
    Hield/Stauskas
    Ingram/Covington
    Saric
    Noel/Embiid

    With cap space to fill out the roster with capable, veteran role players and all of a sudden the 76ers look like they are on their way to be good for a long time... :speechless:
     
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    Hinkie is the greatest thief ever. The greatest.

    He sold them LOSING ON PURPOSE and they bought it hook, line, and sinker... Then he left!

    Amazing...
     
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    I don't think they'll get rewarded. The NBA supposably wants to end tanking well what good does it do to reward Philly then? Doesn't make sense even with a change in ownership. It came in freaking April. Once change when the season is basically over already shouldn't warrant getting a pick.
     
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    They'll be rewarded for making the appropriate changes so that they're not tanking anymore. The NBA loves the Colangelos.
     
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    I doubt it. They may love the Colangelos, but still it took them the whole damn year to make that move. People around the NBA aren't stupid. If the Sixers are rewarded with that pick there is gonna be a huge uproar.
     
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    I doubt anyone will really be in an uproar. They've won less than 60 games in 3 years so they've "earned" it so to speak even if they've been doing it on purpose. Nobody will really bat an eye if they're awarded the #1 pick.

    If anything it makes it a better story since Hinkie just left. And really they just need either the 1st or 2nd pick. That's where the real money is at. If they got #3 or #4 they'd just end up drafting Poetl or Bender and having the first ever roster of nothing but 7 footers and Ish Smith.
     
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    I don't know about an uproar. They will have the worst record in the league, it won't really be a surprise if they get the #1 pick. And if they get the #4 pick too from us, well, no one is going to feel sorry for us as we kinda tanked with the Kobe farewell tour as an excuse. Plus nobody ever feels sorry for us, we're the Lakers. The league stole Chris Paul from us for made up, probably corrupt reasons, and nobody cared. Like I read in a Ding article today, if Philly gets Simmons and whoever else at #4 (Ding said "Dunn"), and Embiid starts playing and is great, Okafor keeps developing, and "the process" ultimately works in the long run, nobody is going to look back on Philly with shame or care.
     
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    I will. I still think the spurs dynasty was built on their tank job that netted Duncan. it bothers me some.

    the irony with the (imo, stupid) hinkie backlash is that the pro-hinkie argument--"if they get more picks, he was right!" is precisely what that argument is supposed to be against.

    that's not clear phrasing. as hinkie inanely put forth in his manifesto, he believes you can make the right choices and get the wrong results. I totally buy this. I actually think the lakers FO (aside from coaching) has made a lot of good choices that just went bad from external forces.

    however, the opposite is also true: you can use a d****** strategy and find success. nothing justifies the kind of losing that hinkie tacitly endorsed for the past three years. they've built nothing in terms of an organizational identity--other than lip service to values and such. it's quite obvious that he's a morey disciple, and neither one of them really gets it. what makes it worse is that both truly believe they're the only ones who do.

    tldr: it doesn't matter if they walk away with the 1 and 4 picks by luck of the draw, the idea was still stupid and shameful. that's why he quit. the verdict was already in.
     
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    What will really break your heart is when you realize the Lakers have followed basically the same model, but with just enough smoke and mirrors to keep people from realizing it... They've also had a bit more luck with their tank than the Sixers. Embiid was a pretty good gamble at #3 and last season Okafor at #3 was a no brainer. Trading for Noel was a pretty good move considering they dumped Holiday before his injuries really took their toll. It just so happens that Embiid will probably never play, Noel is a leader among a horrid draft class, and Okafor has a ways to go (also hurts development when your franchise is openly TRYING to lose).


    There go we but for the grace of God.
     
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    I disagree. the lakers have been trying to improve. they've added veteran players and attempted to sign several impact FAs. in parallel to the discussion above, trying and failing is different than not trying and failing just the same.
     
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    You truly believe the Lakers weren't trying to tank the last two seasons?
     
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    Signing b0ron should be more than enough evidence to support "pro tanking" claims.
     
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    I actually do thing the Lakers going into this season at least attempted to not tank by making the Hibbert and Lou Williams offseason acquisitions.

    If Sam Hinkie were the Lakers GM, that would have never happened. Instead of Hibbert and Lou, we would have got Jimmer Fredette and let Sacre start at center.
     
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