So... Draft Prospects?

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  1. johnnyboy

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    Honestly I think its both
     
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    After watching a few Simmons videos, I'm just going to say it and say I'm not over the moon with him as Ingram.

    Ben can definitely handle the ball extrememly well for his size, absorbs contact and finishes very well, but it's nothing extraordinary. Not quite Lebron in terms of athelcism and strength on his drives and finishes, but definitely one of his fortes.

    Where I think he does have a good feel is the post. His footwork is decent, and his mobility allows him to get to spots and he gets up quick for hooks and dunks, like a Blake Griffin does.

    Great, all around player for his size, but again, nothing really stands out for me in terms of being elite at.
     
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    I feel the same. He's also not the best fit on this laker team. But hey, at least we will be getting a solid player either way. Not complaining.
     
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    Wasn't there something about KD not being able to bench 185 even once during pre-draft workouts?
     
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    Looking at how Ingram benches 115, i'm rather sure he would strugle with 185 as well ;).
     
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    Even for a post player, I'd rather see a squat or deadlift than a bench.
     
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    That's true. But looking at the names from your list, i reckon the results would be equally embarrassing. My 5'/110lbs. wife can bench, squat and deadlift more than some of these guys. And no matter how important or useful that is, it's quite frankly pathetic.
     
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    I believe reading somewhere that Ingram never worked out before until now, that's why he's starting with easy light weight.... Baby steps guys, I'm sure wants he gets stronger and builds muscle memory he'll start adding more weights etc
     
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    Yeah let's not forget that the kid is still 18.
     
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    I mean a few things:

    1. His bench is not a benchmark (wordplay!) for his basketball skills. Most of these NBA players are not great weight lifters.
    2. That amount is still very low for an 18 year old, but given his body type it's far from surprising.
    3. His bench press will never be overly impressive because his long limbs make working out in that sense extremely difficult. He can however build lean muscle which will be far more important to basketball than his max bench press.
    4. Like @trodgers said: his legs are 1000x more important. He needs to build some weight in his butt more than anything else. It's the same thing with D'Angelo and to a lesser extent Jordan Clarkson and Larry Nance Jr. Those two are already pretty well physically developed because they're older but they could still use more strength. For an example look at a picture of George Gervin.
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    His legs are significantly bigger than his upper body and I bet George wasn't much of a bench presser. George is a hall of famer.
     
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    I think whoever takes Ben Simmons needs to know he needs to play with a closer. He seems like an ideal second star with all around capabilities, but LeBronesque during crunch time.
     
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    I strongly agree with real and trodgers about their bench not having much correlation with their basketball skills. But if someone can press <150lbs, you don't want to see their deadlift and squat.
     
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    Unless you're a soccer player....
     
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    Good. We maybe have ourselves the "next" Kevin Durant. Another alpha dog. Love that we keep picking them up! Needed in the playoffs next year. :cool:

    He's "light" right now but he sure doesn't play like it. Kobe had "smaller" hands but clearly was the next and the last MJ.
     
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    Damn then you go watch the video above and Simmons's (hey travis :D) fluid skills and coordination and size and strength already and think what he is going to be in his career physically at least. But already he's got the media thing going. Give me what looks to be more "old school" with Ingram. Like Clarkson with his work ethic and lower profile Randle.
     
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