1. therealdeal

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    I have no problem with women getting their chance to lead. I just genuinely didn't understand your point. You dropped one sentence in here and then didn't explain what you meant...

    Also if this is somehow connected to Hillary Clinton running for President, I'm going to have to excuse myself. That woman would be the opposite of whatever positive effect you're hoping a woman would have on the world's leadership structure.
     
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    Also, men are the warriors and have been the warriors since the dawn of man. We are stronger and faster (on the whole) than our female counter parts. Men join the military and move up the ranks and become generals. Women don't do that. If women were physically as capable of inflicting pain, I'm sure it'd be similar. I also realize I'm making some generalizations. I realize there are talented woman warriors and women who would kick the living crap out of me. But on the whole, the best male soldiers are just going to be faster and stronger.
     
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    I've generally tended to agree with the republicans who say we're being too policially correct and fearful of calling this type of terrorism what it is.

    But I'm watching the RNC, and some of these guys are really undermining their viewpoints. You can't say "We need to protect our citizens and wipe out radical Islamic terrorism" and then rile up the crowd with "We are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles."

    Now I start to wonder how much these guys really care about our safety or if instead they're just playing into ISIS's hands and willing to engage into a religious war.
     
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    I don't think so. A huge percentage of the Republican base is Christian. They're just pandering. Like the democrats wanting to let every Mexican with a pulse across the border. They k ow its not good for the country, it it will garner them the fastest growing demographic for two decades. No Christian believes Trump is actually a Christian. Maybe he is, but he probably isn't. His actions over the course of his life dont seem like it.
     
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    The truth is that in the 21st century, people do not need a book with rules on what to do and how to behave. Its antiquated and some of the stuff flat out stupid for todays's day and age.

    Human beings have a tendency to get obsessed with stuff over time if they spend too much time and thoughts in it. Be it soccer fans, apple fans or muslims. They also tend to be come irrational and do dumb things...see pretty much all hooligans.

    Why is that muslims are more radical? Well IMO its because they got nothing to lose. If the guy that commits suicide owned an infinity pool, drove a mercedes and could eat in the best restaurants in town, he wouldn't bother. But he does. Because he sees all these other non-religious faithless capitalits do just that. Envy is a big deal and it is no where as apparant as this entire terror movement of the past 2 decades. Muslim countries do not enjoy a high living standards and are generally poorly educated because of lack of money...those countries that do (Kuwait, Emirates etc.) don't have a lot of terrorists. So its easier to find people living in poor conditions, fuel their envy and tell them "this should have all belonged to us...but they robbed us and now they enjoy the life we were supposed to have....they are evil."

    Thats my take. I think christians would have done the same if you switch everything.

    Poverty is powerful.

    I think it is perfectly fine to have a god, to believe in a higher power as a source of inspiration. So religion is not necessarily a dumb thing. But human beings struggle to control the dose that is healthy.
     
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    That's a great point KB.
     
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    here's my take

    organized religion is a plague to this earth. every religion sucks and has blood on its hands

    religion has done absolutely nothing throughout history but cause problems and that won't be changing anytime soon

    also, anyone voting for trump due to his proposed muslim ban should get ready to be disappointed. just like there won't be a wall, there isn't going to be a ban on muslims. he's already softened his stance on it in recent weeks. and LOL at the thought of donald trump being a christian. that's just funny

    ISIS is also a plague to the earth but let's be honest, are we surprised that there is an ISIS in the first place? the middle east has long been an area of unrest, and through colonization and oil, there has only been distrust between the region and the west. read more about the 1953 Iran coup for an example of why there is distrust. and of course, there's the disaster that was the Iraq war, which did nothing but fuel the rise of groups like ISIS. wiping out ISIS is virtually the US having to get rid of a problem it played a big role in creating.
     
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    I disagree pretty strongly with this although I understand the point you're making.
    I agree with this for the most part, but that doesn't mean you don't stop them now and I also wouldn't just say the US created ISIS. The world created ISIS and our continued lack of response allows ISIS to continue along not only as they are, but growing into the future as well.
     
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    This is completely inaccurate. Christian organizations send people to some of the darkest areas of the globe to feed and take care of people. My church does a TON of work in the community. The seeking of religious freedom was one of the main reasons this country even exists. People do bad things, whether it be in the name of Christianity, Islam or any other religion. Stalin and Mae Zedong were both atheists and killed more people between the two of them than every other dictator in modern history combined.

    Don't just throw some blanket statement of "religion causes only problems" when the two dictators who believed that religion should be completely oppressed killed over 100 million people. People suck. People who suck worse will use any and all means to do sucky things.
     
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    no it wasn't just the US, it's safe to say that the problems in the middle east throughout history have gone mostly ignored by the rest of the world which helped the creation of radical islam

    by lack of response, do you mean there should be troops sent to the middle east? of course ISIS needs to go but honestly, can we afford yet another war?
     
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    i just can't hold a favorable view of organized religion when there have been more people killed in the name of god than anything else in history. religion is supposed to bring people together, which it does, but more often it only creates issues and divides people. and that's just from a historical perspective.
     
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    Right now I'd take a strongly worded letter.

    We've done nothing. There's been no response beyond "we all must stop the violence!". Okay how? We haven't reacted in any way shape or form to the various violent attacks against all our respective nations. ISIS actually poses the type of threat we as a global population can rise up and unite against, but we aren't. We're just allowing it to continue while we all yell at each other. Personally, I begin by assembling world leaders from all factions of the globe and try to build a united front against ISIS, not Islam or Muslims or anything like that, but against the entity known as ISIS that takes those views and distorts them into their own violent image. After that we begin to systematically eradicate them on all fronts: not just physically but mentally, philosophically, emotionally, etc. By uniting we move beyond the hatred and pettiness we have among each other and point that frustration at the right people.
     
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    But the point is, if there were no religion, bad people would still find things to kill millions of people over. Like I said, the two most murderous dictators were atheists. It's not religion that's causing these things. It's the people leveraging it. Someone may say "In the name of God" to do horrible things, but do they actually believe God is telling them to do it? Or do they just crave power and using religion is the way they attain it? Our current government is seizing more and more control over our daily lives under the guise of compassion and in the future it will be security.
     
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    I'm sure somewhere way up the power ladder are some people who aren't truly motivated by their religion and are just using religion as a power tool. But the people doing the killing absolutely believe they should kill in the name of their God imho.

    Regarding historical atrocities; the key element is dogmatism. Fanatical unquestioning belief in an infallible leader is responsible for every genocide. Some have called that leader God, others allah, others a dictator, others their government. Racism and nationalism can become dogmatic too. Religion doesn't have a monopoly on dogmatism, says this outspoken atheist.
     
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    Stalin and Mao come to mind.

    You and KB24 make great points. Education and $$$, or lack thereof, have so much to do with it, along with unyielding loyalty to a leader (religious or political).
     
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    Actually weren't the 9/11 hijackers, Boston bombers, San Bernardino shooters, and many other radicals college educated middle class?
     
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    9/11 hijackers were Saudi, so odds are they had money. Boston Bombers were on welfare. San Bernadino shooters weren't rich by any means (she was unemployed, he was low level state employee).

    Other than the San Bernadino man, I don't know the education level of any of them. He was college educated (Bachelors degree, I believe).
     
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    Gotcha. The poor and desperate are certainly easier to brainwash. That factor isn't always present though, so what is it? I guess crazy hateful beliefs on their own can be enough if indoctrinated early enough.
     
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