Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

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  1. Barnstable

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    I always thought Ivanka seemed the sharpest of his kids.

    Regarding his speech, I haven't seen it, but all reviews suggest what I thought was true. He's saying what he thinks he needs to to get elected. Now that he has the Republican nomination, he's going to tone it down and try to play to the center more. Political scum, but not Hitler reincarnated. He's just as bad as Hillary.
     
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    That's not even possible.
     
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    We don't have 30+ years of "accomplishments" (I LOLd just typing that) and scandals to compare him to her, but the potential is there.

    2 thoughts:
    - I've long considered that Trump was a mole for Hillary. If he was, what would he do differently? Nothing.
    - If Trump is the true outsider he claims, what would the establishments of both parties and the media label him as, and how would they treat him? Exactly as they have.

    Having said that, I think Hillary wins.
     
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    Trump is an insane wild card. If he's against the establishment in the way he claims, then there's some weird outside hope for at least some changes. If Hillary is elected there's no hope for change and we'll end up with the same s****y boat we're in now. So the question is a) is Trump different (I don't think so), b) can he be trusted (I don't think so), and c) can he actually affect and institute changes that the country needs (I don't think so).

    #GaryJohnson2016

     
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    Early reports are Tim Kaine is Hillary's choice for Vice.

    No idea who he is. But I'm sure we'll learn more if in fact he's the pick. Should be leaked today and officially announced tomorrow.
     
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    Obama: "Trump's painting of the world being dark and fearful is just not based on facts"
    News: "Another Terrorist attack in Europe. Now in Munich"
     
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    I live in Germany. Nothing so far is pointing into an islamistic direction. Looks more like a mentally ill single shooter.
     
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    This pretty much covers my fears.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?campaign_id=A100&campaign_type=Email

    Trump is wildly unqualified for this job. If elected I see him being used like a puppet for anyone who wants more power. If Hillary is elected I see her being a puppet, but knowing it like almost every other president and being easy to buy off. I don't know who is worse. Trump is an insane moron, Hillary is a bad person, but at least she's qualified for politics? I don't think I can vote for either of these clowns.
     
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    QFT

    Put a gun to my head and I'll vote Trump. #NeverHillary But I agree with you. Neither are worthy of a vote.
     
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    "
    Wikileaks Proves Primary Was Rigged: DNC Undermined Democracy
    20,000 freshly leaked emails reveal resentful disdain toward Sanders, as party favored Clinton long before any votes were cast
    By Michael Sainato • 07/22/16 2:00pm
    releasing thousands of DNC/Clinton emails.

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    Are you ready for Hillary? We begin our series today with 20 thousand emails from the top of the DNC. #Hillary2016

    8:26 AM - 22 Jul 2016

    In its recent leak of 20,000 DNC emails from January 2015 to May 2016, DNC staff discuss how to deal with Bernie Sanders’ popularity as a challenge to Clinton’scandidacy. Instead of treating Sanders as a viable candidate for the Democratic ticket, the DNC worked against him and his campaign to ensure Clinton received the nomination.

    One email from DNC Deputy Communications Director Eric Walker to several DNC staffers cites two news articles showing Sanders leading in Rhode Island and the limited number of polling locations in the state: “If she outperforms this polling, the Bernie camp will go nuts and allege misconduct. They’ll probably complain regardless, actually.”

    Instead of treating Sanders with impartiality, the DNC exhibits resentful disdain toward him and the thousands of disenfranchised voters he could have brought into the party.

    “Wondering if there’s a good Bernie narrative for a story, which is that Bernie never ever had his act together, that his campaign was a mess,” wrote DNC Deputy Communications Director Mark Paustenbach to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda, in response to backlash over DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz shutting off the Sanders campaign’s access to voter database files.

    Another chain reveals MSNBC’s Chuck Todd and DNC staff members discussing how to discredit MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski’s call for Wasserman Schultz to resign.

    Most of the emails released come from seven prominent DNC staff members: senior adviser Andrew Wright, national finance director Jordon Kaplan, finance chief of staff Scott Comer, Northern California finance director Robert Stowe, finance director of data and strategic initiatives Daniel Parrish, finance director Allen Zachary and Miranda.

    The release provides further evidence the DNC broke its own charter violations by favoring Clinton as the Democratic presidential nominee, long before any votes were cast.

    Over the past several weeks, Guccifer 2.0 released several internal memos showing DNC staff strategizing to make Clinton the presidential nominee—as early as March 2015. In June 2016, Florida-based law firm, Beck & Lee, filed a class action lawsuit against Wasserman Schultz and the DNC based on the revelations from these leaked files.

    Other emails show DNC staff in damage control over allegations from the Sanders campaign, when a report—corroborated by a Politico—revealed the DNC’s joint fundraising committee with the Clinton campaign was laundering money to theClinton campaign instead of fundraising for down-ticket Democrats. Regardless of the fundraising tactics, because both major campaigns didn’t agree to use the joint fundraising committee super-PAC with the DNC, the DNC should have recused itself from participating with just the Clinton campaign.

    The Wikileaks and Guccifer 2.0 leaks are the perfect end to a Democratic primary that undermined democracy at every possible opportunity while maintaining plausible deniability.

    The party’s rules, including the use of super delegates—who disproportionately endorsed Clinton before the primaries began—are intended to provide the Democratic Party leverage over the election process. Throughout the primaries, decisions were made by DNC officials to help Clinton build and maintain a lead over Sanders.

    More votes were cast for Clinton, but they were cast at the behest of a Democratic Party that downplayed her shortfalls to the extent that Sanders not only had to run against Clinton but also against the entire Democratic Establishment. Heading into the Democratic National Convention, voters are beginning to understand that their voices are of little concern to the leadership."

    http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/
     
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    You know @Barnstable I gotta say, you called this several months ago. I felt something was up, but you were on top of it. I'm no Bernie fan, but he got screwed big time.

    Is he speaking at the DNC ? he might pull a Ted Cruz. I wouldn't blame him. Wasn't discussed here, but I had no problem with what Cruz did.
     
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    I was watching it closely, so I saw all the little things that added up to be too much to be a ton of coincidences that all just happened to favor Hillary in every way.

    I love what Cruz did. Gave me a smidgen of respect for him. I hope Bernie has the balls and character to do the same.

    #NeverHillary
     
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    Cruz is a pretty nasty looking, acting, sounding, behaving, looking person but that was a quality move.
     
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    And now Hilary's VP is even starting the bank payoffs early. They must have a lot of corruption and selling out to do.

    Gotta get an early start

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    Tim Kaine Calls To Deregulate Banks As He Campaigns To Be Clinton’s VP
    Who needs consumer protections when we have all these job creators?
    07/20/2016 04:43 pm 16:43:42 | Updated 2 days ago

    Zach Carter Senior Political Economy Reporter, The Huffington Post
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    Hillary Clinton and Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) appeared together at a rally in Virginia earlier this month. Many saw it as his audition to be her VP.


    WASHINGTON ― Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) is on Hillary Clinton’s short list of potential vice presidential nominees. He’s also actively pushing bank deregulation this week as he campaigns for the job.

    Kaine signed two letters on Monday urging federal regulators to go easy on banks ― one to help big banks dodge risk management rules, and another to help small banks avoid consumer protection standards.

    Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton is believed to be weighing Kaine among a handful of other potential VP choices. Her pick is widely viewed in Washington as a sign of her governing intentions. The former secretary of state has spent weeks attempting to woo progressive supporters of vanquished primary challenger Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.). Choosing from one of the handful of names on her short list ― Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio) or Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), for instance ― would signal that her camp is taking progressive concerns seriously.

    Kaine, by contrast, is setting himself up as a figure willing to do battle with the progressive wing of the party. He has championed the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal that both Sanders and Warren oppose, and he is now publicly siding with bank deregulation advocates at the height of Clinton’s veepstakes.

    The big bank letter would help major firms including Capital One, PNC Bank and U.S. Bank, all of which control hundreds of billions of dollars in assets. Such large “regional banks,” Kaine writes, are being discriminated against based solely on the fact that they are so big.

    In a letter to Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen, Comptroller of the Currency Thomas Curry and FDIC Chair Martin Gruenberg, Kaine argues that it is unfair for these large banks to be required to calculate and report their liquidity ― a critical measure of risk ― on a daily basis. Kaine wants to change that reporting to once a month. Kaine, along with Sens. Mark Warner (D-Va.), Gary Peters (D-Mich.) and Robert Casey (D-Pa.), argues that bigger banks don’t necessarily carry bigger risks, and thus shouldn’t face more aggressive oversight.

    “This distinction is applied unevenly across regional institutions despite similar risk profiles, simply by virtue of an asset threshold,” the letter reads. Translation: just because they’re big, doesn’t mean they should be regulated more closely.

    Kaine and his coauthors do draw an exception to this principle for “systemically important” banks ― a term that usually means the six largest banks in the country: JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Wells Fargo and Citigroup. These should be regulated closely. Firms controlling over $400 billion, not so much.

    On the small bank side, Kaine pressed Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Director Richard Cordray to exempt “community banks and credit unions” from new rules. Doing so would leave these institutions, which include banks with up to $10 billion in assets, more lightly regulated than they were before the financial crisis. The letter, sent on Monday, was signed by 69 other senators.

    Small banks were not, for the most part, involved in the subprime mortgage crisis. But many commit other consumer protection abuses. These violations do not spark massive financial downturns, but they can be real problems for the households that get ripped off.

    As Kaine joins the deregulatory fight, several other lawmakers are pushing the CFPB in the opposite direction. On Wednesday, 28 senators sent a letter to the agency urging them to toughen up their new rule against abusive payday lending. Kaine didn’t sign it.

    A spokesperson for Kaine told HuffPost that Kaine is working on his own separate “Virginia-focused” letter on payday lending in support of the CFPB rule that he hopes will come out before the election.

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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tim-kaine-clinton-vp_us_578fc8e3e4b0bdddc4d2c86c
     
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    Think the media got the memo? Absolutely. Dem party has them in their pockets.


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    Even TMZ and US Magazine rip on Trump every opportunity they get. When did the join the political arena?
     
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