Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

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    The only good thing that may come out of this election is a realization of just how bad the two major parties have become in all facets, especially when it comes to who they nominate as their presidential candidates. I definitely won't be voting for either Hillary or Trump.
     
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    Nothing but good news today!!

    "
    Thousands of Bernie Sanders Supporters Are Suing the DNC in a Massive Class Action Lawsuit
    Tom Cahill | June 23, 2016FacebookTwitter

    Millions of Bernie Sanders’ donors may now have legal recourse against the Democratic primaries they saw as rigged.

    Beck & Lee Trial Lawyers, a civil litigation firm based in Miami, Florida, is announcing the filing of a class action lawsuit against the DNC early next week, alleging fraud and collusion with the Hillary Clinton campaign. While roughly one hundred people have officially signed on as plaintiffs, partner Jared Beck told US Uncut that thousands of requests for legal paperwork have come in within the last 48 hours.

    “Signed agreements are coming in steadily and we continue to get new requests by the minute,” Beck said.

    Anyone who donated to the DNC after Bernie Sanders entered the race for the Democratic nomination, either directly or indirectly through third-party payment platforms like ActBlue, is eligible to join the lawsuit, along with anyone who donated to Bernie Sanders’ campaign throughout the course of the primaries and caucuses.

    “We think that the DNC has been running absolutely out of control and completely disregarding their responsibilities, rights, and duties to the public,” attorney Elizabeth Beck told US Uncut.

    Jared Beck said whether or not a “class” in the lawsuit is deemed valid by the court will depend on a number of factors, but the number of class representatives in the lawsuit could be as high as the number of individual donors to Sanders’ campaign.

    Around two million people donated a combined seven million contributions averaging $27 apiece. Sanders accumulated more than $222 million in donations throughout the primaries and caucuses.

    “The way a class action works in civil litigation is that not everybody who is represented or is a member of the class needs to be a class plaintiff,” Beck said in a phone interview. “We’ll be seeking relief for everybody who falls into the class around the country.”

    “Given the average donation of $27, that could be a lot of people, to say the least,” he added.

    The basis for the lawsuit stems from DNC internal communications published by hacker Guccifer 2.0, who took ownership of the compromising of DNC servers and allegedly leaked their contents. Among other items, the leaks revealed emails showing the DNC had been actively working behind the scenes to boost Hillary Clinton’s profile in the media as early as May 26, 2015, nearly a month after Sanders had entered the race for the Democratic nomination.

    New leaks published this week showed the DNC spent time and resources assessing Clinton’s vulnerabilities as a candidate in the early summer of 2015, and the DNC even drafted talking points for campaign operatives to suggest as narratives to members of the media, attempting to inject their own phrasing into third-party stories.

    Beck said he believes the lawsuit will be successful, as Article 5, Section 4 of the charter and bylaws of the Democratic Party explicitly requires the chair of the DNC to remain impartial during the primary process:

    In the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National Committee, particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of the Presidential nomination process, the Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.

    Beck also said a fraud lawsuit is justified due to multiple actions taken by DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who served as co-chair of Clinton’s 2008 campaign. Wasserman Schultz repeatedly claimed neutrality throughout the primary season despite numerous allegations from the Sanders campaign and national media that she tipped the scales in Clinton’s favor throughout the Democratic primary, most notably by scheduling the debates during low-viewership timeslots and by shutting down the Sanders campaign’s access to its voter file database for 24 hours.

    “The DNC needs to do what it says in its charter, which is to be even-handed and unbiased in response to the slate of candidates running for the nomination,” Beck told US Uncut.

    Elizabeth Lee Beck, a senior partner at the firm who is helping to coordinate the lawsuit, said thousands of messages have poured in from Sanders supporters across the country.

    “People use words like, ‘angry,’ ‘I feel cheated,’ ‘Thank you for giving us a voice,'” Elizabeth Beck said. “I’ve read comments like, ‘I would have gotten the same results as if I had flushed my money down the commode.'”

    “The common thread among all these emails is they feel deeply aggrieved and cheated, which is a natural response to being defrauded,” she added.

    Elizabeth Beck described the shock she felt at an email from a Sanders supporter that spoke to the depth of sacrifice that the Vermont senator’s donors made to support his campaign.

    “I remember someone said, ‘I donated $35, but if I had known then what I know now, I wouldn’t have done it. That was a trip to the grocery store,'” she recalled.

    According to Jared Beck, no venue has yet been picked to file the lawsuit, which he expects to be officially filed early next week to allow for a hearing before the Democratic National Convention on July 25. Under federal law, the DNC, as a defendant in a class action lawsuit, has 20 days to respond upon being served. He said there are several options the DNC can choose from in how it responds.

    “They can issue a motion to dismiss or move to stay the case, which means they try to delay it. I don’t know what kind of strategy we’ll see from them,” Beck said. “There’s not a lot of precedent for this type of lawsuit, so it’s really hard to say what we’d expect from the defendant at this point.”

    Jared Beck described this lawsuit as unique in that the goal is to not just secure financial compensation, but to fundamentally change the way the DNC exists and conducts business.

    “You have people who say they’re homeless or unemployed, and they gave whatever was in their pockets to Bernie, and you have doctors and lawyers who have given thousands of dollars… We’re civil litigators, and usually our cases can be reduced to dollars and cents, but I don’t know if any amount of money could compensate for American democracy, which is priceless to me. I think anything short of a fundamental change in the way the DNC conducts itself is not acceptable… This isn’t a case that’s about money, this is a case about the fairness about the Democratic process.”

    Beck and Lee is a civil litigation firm that has previously won multi-million dollar judgments in previous civil cases. While their firm is based in Florida, they have prior experience in nationwide class action lawsuits, with Elizabeth Lee Beck serving as co-lead counsel in a nationwide class action case against Unilever. Anyone wanting to join Beck & Lee’s lawsuit is encouraged to email dncfraud@jampac.us and follow the progress of the lawsuit on its official Facebook page.
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    http://usuncut.com/resistance/bernie-sanders-supporters-are-suing-dnc/
     
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    TLDR, but the headline is awesome. I hope Bernie makes heads roll.
     
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    FBI Director Comey said of the 30,000 emails voluntarily turned over to the FBI by Hillary Clinton, 110 emails contained classified information, 8 contained top secret information. "There is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling".

    When I was in the Air Force I would've been court martialed if I did what Hillary did. Yet she will face no charges.
     
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    Benghazi too. She was shown to be negligent and somehow they aren't able to have any effect on her? Is she bulletproof?
     
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    ^^^ yes. She is when it comes to this administration and media.
     
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    Insane. I have no idea how much money must be changing hands to make this all work or how those people who are taking/exchanging the money to make this a non-story sleep at night.
     
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    "Our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities.

    Consistent with our counterintelligence responsibilities, we have also investigated to determine whether there is evidence of computer intrusion in connection with the personal e-mail server by any foreign power, or other hostile actors."

    "With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received"

    "It could also be that some of the additional work-related e-mails we recovered were among those deleted as “personal” by Secretary Clinton’s lawyers when they reviewed and sorted her e-mails for production in 2014."

    "It is also likely that there are other work-related e-mails that they did not produce to State and that we did not find elsewhere, and that are now gone because they deleted all e-mails they did not return to State, and the lawyers cleaned their devices in such a way as to preclude complete forensic recovery."

    "Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information."

    "There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."

    "None of these e-mails should have been on any kind of unclassified system, but their presence is especially concerning because all of these e-mails were housed on unclassified personal servers not even supported by full-time security staff, like those found at Departments and Agencies of the U.S. Government—or even with a commercial service like Gmail."

    "With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton’s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal e-mail account."

    "Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case."

    "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.
     
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    Summary of Comey's Report:

    There was important classified information on the emails on those servers that she released to the state department before wiping her server clean. Her server did not even have the type of security that something like Gmail has, yet alone the servers of the rest of the government agencies. Gross negligence.

    There were several emails the FBI found that she did not release to the state department. Some of these were found. Some of them will never be found. The FBI is assuming that HILLARY'S LAWYERS were simply too lazy when they organized her emails to give to the state department for investigation because they accidentally labeled them as personal. For the rest of the emails we will never find, her lawyers likely wiped the server clean in a way that would prevent them from being found. Intentionally removing classified information.

    There is no evidence that Hillary herself was hacked. But there wouldn't be any due to the nature of hacking. There is evidence that Hillary's colleagues who she communicated with on her server were hacked. Hillary communicated using her server while in the presence of foreign political adversaries. It is likely Hillary herself was hacked.

    There IS evidence that Hillary violated the statues that she was being investigated for ... but no prosecutor would reasonably try to go up against someone as politically powerful as her and so as a result, she should not be prosecuted...

    Anyone else in government who did what she did would likely have their security clearances be removed and punished. Hillary is running for, and will likely win, the presidency.
     
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    I'm not even going to watch CNN today. But I know they're going to ignore the details of Comey's statement and loudly proclaim Hillary's innocence. I know my parents are going to watch CNN and say, "See! This was just another conspiracy from the looney right wingers because they personally dislike Hillary! She's innocent!"

    Nobody on social media is going to bat an eye over this. Meanwhile everyone's still up in arms calling Trump a bigoted anti-semite because he retweeted a picture about Hillary's corruption that featured a 6-pointed star clip art from Microsoft Paint instead of a 5-pointed star.
     
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    The machine rolls on. We have no say. We're just pawns in the game. The rich get richer. The powerful get more power and are exempt from the rules.
     
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    Business as usual
     
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    Can you imagine the hellstorm that Bush would have gotten for this? Obama? Even her own husband Bill would have gotten heat for this. For Hillary it's... literally nothing. Crickets.
     
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    Republicans got other problems to deal with. Trump has them all discombobulated
     
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    Screw the Republicans. They were too stupid to nip this Trump thing in the bud and now it cost them this election and in reality may have been the final death throe of their political party.
     
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    If anyone makes this into an issue for Hillary, it's going to be Bernie Supporters and Independents.
     
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    Right. The Republicans can try to crap on Hillary but since their candidate is a clown they have almost credibility. Add to that the media in the liberal pocket and Trump looks like the devil while Hillary looks fine somehow.

    The Libertarian candidate is maybe the only half interesting guy.
     
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