Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

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    Called him "Lucifer in the flesh" and said, "I have Democrat friends and Republican friends. I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a b**** in my life.”

    Apparently some other Senator recently said, "If you killed Ted Cruz on the floor of the Senate, and the trial was in the Senate, nobody would convict you."

    This guy is hated by everyone, getting steamrolled at the ballot, and yet he just announced his vice presidential running mate.

    :Randallconfused:
     
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    Because the fix is on
     
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    I mean being hated by the party is a good thing in my opinion.

    What do you think Democrats think of Bernie Sanders? They're willing to push Hillary Clinton ahead of him for goodness sake.

    Being hated by the party means you're shaking branches that need to be shook. Or it means you're an insufferable a**. Cruz is probably both.
     
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    Well nothing in Cruz's platform really seems "anti-establishment".

    Sounds like he's just an unlikeable douche. Based on how the election is going, that alone seems like it should push him to the top of the polls, but he's just been outdouched.
     
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    Omg why why why did I get my car wash here? Non-stop CNN blaring in my ears. Literally. I'd rather listen to Lavender Town!!!
     
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    Cruz has constantly been against the general RNC. Being a staunch constitutionalist is not the same as being a modern conservative. Not at all.

    He really isn't very likable though.
     
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    "This is What Will Happen at the Democratic Convention
    by John LauritsApril 28, 2016


    Can Sanders do it? Or is Clinton truly inevitable?
    Bernie Sanders has vowed to fight relentlessly for the 2016 Democratic Party’s nomination up to the convention and, despite the apparent consensus of the media’s talking heads that the campaign is a lost cause, he has held fast to his claim that there is a “narrow path to victory.” I am reminded of Galadriel’s ominous words of advice, in the Fellowship of the Ring: The quest stands upon the edge of a knife — stray but a little, and it will fail… ÷

    It has even become something of a weekly occurrence for Hillary Clinton and her Wallstreet-backed campaign to imply, insinuate, or flat-out demand that Sanders withdraw his bid for the nomination — they are growing increasingly indignant about the fact that Sanders is trying to win. Which brings us to the heart of the issue — can Bernie Sanders–can we–win the delegates needed for the nomination?

    The answer to this question is as simple as it is misleading — No. No, my friends, we cannot. And yet–! And yet, neither can Hillary Clinton — and I am going to show you what the media is willfully hiding from you. I am going to show you why, using the one thing that even the media can’t hide: Math.

    Why Clinton Will Not Secure the Nomination, According to Math
    According to the Green Papers, Clinton stands (today, April 28th) with 1,664 pledged delegates, while Sanders has gathered 1,371. The amount of delegates needed to secure the nomination is 2,383 and, if you’ll pardon me for my use of arithmetic, I will now demonstrate why that number is hopelessly out of reach for the Clinton campaign.†

    Hillary needs 719 more delegates to reach 2,383 because:

    2,383 – 1,664 = 719

    Now, the pledged delegates that are available to grab in the remaining states all-together amount to 1,016 and in order to attain that blessed number, Clinton will have to win an average of 70.7% of the remaining states. This is because:

    719 ÷ 1,016 = 0.707677 or approximately 71%

    You might be thinking that 71% is not such an unattainable number for Hillary and her powerful Wallstreet backers — you might be thinking that but you’d be betting against longer odds than would be wise. You see, of the 1,016 delegates remaining, 475 of those delegates are to be won in California, alone — California, which has a semi-open primary. California, where Clinton is polling at a mere 49%. California, where Clinton’s support has been declining as the Sanders Campaign gains visibility and momentum. California — the ace that Sanders, as much as the media, have concealed up his sleeve.

    It is no secret that Sanders, a previously invisible independent senator from the tiny state of Vermont, consistently climbs in the polls as he begins to campaign in the weeks before each state has had its primary. You don’t have to take my word for it —check the poll-histories for yourself or read this.

    Because Bernie Sanders performs at his absolute best in open primaries and because he consistently rises in the polls, while Clinton consistently falls, it is extremely unlikely that Clinton will perform better than 49 points, let alone win the contest. Let’s do some more math:

    Of the 475 delegates available in California on June 7th, lets say Hillary takes 49% of those (even though she will almost certainly take less). That would give her 232.75 delegates, which we’ll round up to an even 234.

    475 x 0.49 = 232.75

    Next, let’s add that to her current total of 1,664, bringing her up to 1,897. Now, she needs an additional 486 delegates to reach the magic number of 2,383, right? Let’s find out how many delegates Clinton would have to win in the remaining states (besides California, of course).

    Of the 541 delegates left, once the 475 CA delegates have been subtracted from the 1,016 delegate total, Clinton is going to have to win almost 90% of the remaining non-California delegates! This is because, when you divide the number of delegates that Clinton needs after California by the number of delegates remaining after California, you get 0.898 or 89%, rounded down:

    486 ÷ 541 = 0.898 or 89.8%

    Now, how likely does that sound? It’s not likely in Oregon, a fairly progressive state that shares its general attitudes with Washington, a state that Sanders won with about 70% of the vote. It’s not likely in West Virginia, either, where Sanders is currently leading in the polls. Nor is it likely in Indiana where Sanders and Clinton are almost neck-and-neck, which votes on May 3rd. That nomination is feeling a lot further away now, isn’t it?

    Okay, okay — maybe you’re thinking, “John, I think you’re being unfair, Clinton could certainly win California.” To which I would reply: I admire your optimism, my friend — and since you’re so optimistic, let’s run those numbers again — but this time, let’s assume that Clinton, for whatever reason, defies the consistent trends that have prevailed over the entire primary season. Let’s say, she jumps up 11% now, winning the California primary with 60% of the vote. So:

    475 x 0.6 = 285

    Now, add the 285 delegates to Clinton’s current total:

    285 + 1,664 = 1,949

    But:

    2,383 – 1,949 = 434

    So, Clinton will still need to scrape up 434 delegates somewhere other than California, some how. Which means — Hold on, first we have to figure out how much of the remaining delegates she’ll have to win:

    434 ÷ 541 = .802218 or 80%

    Wow! Even if Clinton actually wins California with 60% to Sanders with 40%, she will still have to secure about 80% of the remaining vote! Again, this certainly doesn’t seem likely in Oregon, West Virginia, or Indiana, which means the actual percentage would climb each time she failed to take 80% of a state! Now, are you starting to see why I am saying that Clinton will not be securing the nomination before the convention?

    Part Two: Why Sanders Will Win, According to Math
    If you’ve found yourself thinking, “Well, Sanders won’t secure the nomination, either!” You are almost 100% right! Well, 99.6% right, anyway. Because, if we take Sanders’ current delegate total of 1,371, subtract that from the magic 2,383, then divide that by the remaining available delegates, we get 0.996, see:

    2,383 – 1,371 = 1,012

    1,012 ÷ 1,016 = 0.996 or 99.6%

    Therefore, Sanders would have to secure a whopping 99.6% victory in all remaining states to secure the nomination! I think this may be one of the few things that both Berners and Clintonistas could agree on: that that is impossible. But to those of you that are thinking, “John! This is terrible” or “Haha! Take that, Sanders!” I would reply: You are both wrong. Mostly. Let me explain:

    First off, let’s acknowledge that the math seems to prohibit both candidates from securing the nomination before the convention — so what does this mean? This means that, since Sanders will not give up before the convention, there will almost certainly be a “contested convention.”

    “Um… But John…” you may be saying, “Won’t Hillary still be miles ahead of Sanders in votes at the convention?”

    To which I would reply: I’m glad you asked, my paid Hillary-supporter friend! Allow me to demonstrate how that will also not be the case, no matter what the media would have you believe. Follow me!

    Since neither of them will be securing the 2,383 needed for the nomination, let’s take a look at another number that has been hiding in plain sight for far too long. I’d like you to meet the number, 4,051. That’s the number of total pledged delegates that are available from all 50 states, plus DC, US territories, and the Democrats abroad. As it should be obvious, a majority of these delegates would be 2,026 because:

    4,051 ÷ 2 = 2,025.5

    At the convention, this number is going to matter more than the unattainable 2,383 delegates that no one will have. That being the case, let’s take a look at what Bernie Sanders would have to do to get there. If Sanders won 60% of the remaining contests (and remember how 475 of 1,016 are in California, where Sanders will do well), then the numbers at the convention would look like this:

    1,016 x .60 = 609.6

    Round that to 610 and add it to Sanders current total of 1,371, then divide that by the total delegate count, 4,051:

    610 + 1,371 = 1,981

    1,981 ÷ 4,051 = .489 or 48.9%

    So, in the scenario where Sanders takes about 60% of the remaining vote, we’re essentially looking at a 49 to 51% vote total at the convention — not so bad, eh? And that’s easily within Sanders’ reach, if we do well in California (which we almost certainly will). Let’s look at what happens if he takes 70% (just like he did last time we went to the West/Left Coast):

    1,016 x .70 = 711.2, round it down to 711, then:

    711 + 1,371 = 2,082

    2,082 ÷ 4,051 = 0.513 or 51.3%

    If Sanders took 70%, the convention would look like 51.3 to 48.7%, in favor of Sanders! But 70%, while possible, is a bit of a stretch — the new magic number, for Sanders anyway, is actually 64.4% of the remaining states, which would mean winning 655 of the 1,016 remaining delegates, pushing his total up to 2,026, the bare majority of delegates, leaving Clinton one delegate behind at 2,025.

    Now, does Sanders winning 64.4% sound too far-fetched? Not particularly, especially when we consider his advantages on the Left Coast, in California’s 475 delegate semi-open primary. An uphill climb, though? Certainly. Remember, though: it is all but certain that Clinton will not secure the nomination, while Sanders supporters are going to be pouring into Philadelphia for the convention by the tens of thousands. Even if Bernie fell short by a few points, we’re still essentially looking at a tie. And that’s when all hell is going to break loose.

    Things are going to become very interesting if we have a near-tie at the convention to be decided by the super-delegates.

    Things are going to become very interesting when they look back at the many states that are still crying out for a re-vote, states fraught with “voting irregularities,” polling station closures, and voter roll purges — all states which Clinton won and all states which so far have not received justice.

    Things are going to become very interesting when the DNC and the super-delegates realize that Sanders, unlike the Wallstreet-backed Clinton-Machine, will bring in not only millions of independent voters that were unable to vote in the primaries, but even defecting Republican votes, sealing the GOP’s utter defeat in November.

    Things are going to become very interesting when, while they are thinking about all of these things, they are doing so to the earth-shaking, thunderous chants of “Sanders! Sanders!” from his tens of thousands of supporters outside, who have time-and-again proven their ability to rally by the tens of thousands — do you think that we won’t do the same at the convention?

    And finally, things are going to become very, very interesting when the super-delegates and the DNC are forced to choose, publicly, whether to hand the nomination to Clinton and watch the millions of independents walk away, along with millions of former-democrat Sanders-supporters, basically handing the general election to the neo-fascists Trump or Cruz — or, to hand it to Sanders, a leader who will have the support, not only of the entire Democratic Party, but of millions of Independents, Green Party voters, and — yes, indeed — even Republicans defecting from the extremist GOP. That will be the most interesting part, I think. I’ll see you all in Philadelphia.
    "

    https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention/
     
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    Protesters at Trump speech in Burlingame California (Burlingame is in between the Bay Area and Silicone Valley -- very "sleepy town")


    What I don't understand is people saying "he calls us criminals" and then they commit crimes.
     
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    A few things.

    1. It's become a trend in this day and age to act an a** in support of some really good and noble causes.

    2. That being said, I've seen it enough now to also be very skeptical as to the actual events whenever I see any type of riot reported in this country. For instance, that police car they were destroying in that video was probably left there on purpose so the crowd could destroy it to get out their frustrations. It's a tactic that works for both sides.
     
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    They still took the bait.
     
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    I'm not defending them. I don't know what happened.

    I've just seen enough times that we find out after the fact that someone else, not a part of the protest purposefully started the destruction to give the police a "reason" to act on the protesters.

    I'm just saying any time you hear riot, you shouldn't take it a face value. There's power in words, and there is often an agenda in the terms being used. There is often more to it than "these people are bad. Look at what they're doing".

    Be skeptical
     
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    Yeah, I know you're not defending them. And it's definitely true we don't know the whole story until all video evidence turns up.

    However, I just feel like at this point, I almost don't care anymore who "started it." Some d-bag probably threw a water bottle at someone, and then all hell broke loose.

    There are peaceful protests, and then there are violent ones. I'm pretty sure some of the peaceful protesters back in MLKJ's day had rocks thrown at them and pepper spray and what not (even by police... that is, if pepper spray was invented back then lol), but they only fought back with even more peace, which was more powerful than trying to fight fire with fire.
     
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    Yeah, but sometimes you have like 5 people acting an idiot, while the other hundred people are totally peacefull. They still call it a riot.
     
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    ^^ true, true!
     
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    Bernie and Trump win Indiana.

    Cruz dropped out.
     
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    It aint over.

    But the rumor is that if Hillary gets indicted, the Democrats still won't nominate Bernie, they will nominate Biden at the convention lol

    Enough people are already incensed with the corruption of the DNC.

    I bet if they did that, we would see multiple riots in multiple cities.
     
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    Awkward to the very end lol

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    Jon Bones Jones is a fan of that elbow.
     
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