Presidential Election Aftermath: What Now / What Next?

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  1. Barnstable

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    Anyone have the # of delegates each nominee has at this point?
     
    John3:16, Mar 1, 2016
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    I don't know, but in 2008 Obama didn't pull ahead in Super delegates till 36 states had voted.
     
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    Also, look at the map I posted above. Hillary is carrying almost every state she won in 2008... almost, because she lost Oklahoma, and it looks like she's about to lose Colorado. She took Iowa by 6 coin flips that "just happened" to land heads, but that's the only state she has taken that Obama won in 2008. The rest have all voted for Bernie, plus some.
     
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    Not sure if this is up-to-date, but here is what I found on WSJ.com

    Hillary: 883 (superdelegates 457)
    Sanders: 223 (superdelegates 22)

    Needed: 2383 (NOTE: Democratic Superdelegates can change their votes at any time they want)



    Trump: 221
    Cruz: 69
    Rubio: 41
    Kasich: 19
    Carson: 7

    Needed: 1237
     
    John3:16, Mar 1, 2016
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    Who is the third party nominee?
     
    therealdeal, Mar 1, 2016
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    So how exactly do superdelegates work? What would it take for them to switch from Hillary to Bernie?
     
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    http://2016.presidential-candidates.org/

    I was actually shocked at how many nominees their are. 81 in total.

    I can't vote 3rd party here in Oklahoma unless a 3rd party candidate got 5% of the votes today. Won't happen. Therefore, I'm stuck with the 2 big party candidates.
     
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    It wouldn't take much at all. They can switch any time they want, and don't have to give a reason. It's a really weird system IMO. Not sure why they have that system in place. Well, I assume $$$ is the reason, but haven't figured it out completely. Honestly, I didn't know about this system or the coin flip nonsense until about 2 weeks ago.
     
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    But as of now these "superdelegates" are real people who actually DO support Hillary? Or have they just kind of nominally been assigned to her due to how the voting works, meaning nobody really knows which candidate they support yet?
     
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    I honestly don't know. I think she had a pretty good lead on Obama at this point 8 years ago, but we know how that ended up. No loyalty in this game. I think if Bernie wants to win, he's gonna have to start making deals.
     
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    Superdelagates are a way for the DNC to control who gets the Democratic nomination. They vote for who the DNC tells them to vote for. However, they are also influenced by the popular vote to the point that they will switch their vote depending on how the constituents in their district vote. They are often elected officials so they don't want to be caught voting against their constituents wishes and be voted out of office.

    They can and do change their vote according to the wind. As of right now, Bernie might actually be doing better than Obama did in 2008.
     
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    Ignore the over the top enthusiasm, and look at the poles he's presenting lol

     
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    If Hillary wins the nomination, would it be possible to see the Democrat vote split? Would Bernie run as an Independent? It seems like Bernie has a lot of supporters who won't vote Hillary (although maybe they would just so Trump won't win).

    Just speculating here, and a bit rusty on the voting rules, so correct me if I'm wrong.
     
    acetabulum7, Mar 2, 2016
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    The Republicans created a monster and I think it's entirely possible they've found the one person more unelectable than Hillary Clinton.

    I think it's much more likely that Trump vs Clinton will mobilize the masses to come out and vote for Clinton just so Trump doesn't win even if I think she'll be just as bad as Trump and could possibly be worse.
     
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    WASHINGTON (AP) — Despite Donald Trump's string of Super Tuesday victories, the billionaire businessman must do better in upcoming contests to claim the Republican presidential nomination before the party's national convention this summer, an AP delegate count shows.

    Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is emerging as the candidate who could stop him — with a little help from Florida Sen. Marco Rubio.

    While Trump has racked up 10 wins through the first 15 contests, he's won only 46 percent of the delegates that have been awarded since the voting began last month. It takes an outright majority of delegates to win the nomination.


    To win enough delegates to claim the nomination, Trump would have to win 52 percent of the remaining delegates — a difficult feat in a race with three or more candidates.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/1bd3...gate-count-trump-not-yet-track-win-nomination

    Florida and Ohio are key; the last I seen Rubio was behind in a Quinnipiac poll by and the average puts him behind 20 points. However, there was another poll that I seen where he was only down 7 points: http://floridapolitics.com/archives...ald-trump-leads-marco-rubio-by-a-small-margin.
    He was also down double digits in Virginia in the polls but came within distance of beating Trump.

    Ohio is another key state. Kasich was down 5 points in a recent poll I seen. So, if both guys handle their home states that would be forward progress in these winner take all states. Needless to say, I'm not fan of Trump. I also think North Carolina is a good place for Marco to win. They have the voters that fit his demographic. I'm not writing Trump in yet.
     
    LaVarBallsDad, Mar 2, 2016
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    It's both a shame and terrifying for me to be rooting for Rubio to win the Republican nomination.
     
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    Carson dropped out.

    No idea who gets his delegate votes.

    Rumors are that he'll be Trumps vice.
     
    John3:16, Mar 2, 2016
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    I wouldn't be surprised.

    Kristi looked like Trump's man servant last night during Trump's press conference. He wants a position so bad lol
     
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    Trump's vice? That's interesting.
     
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