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  1. John3:16

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    Race and nationality and religion are 3 different things. I can't believe I have to explain this.

    I can tell a Muslim dude from Africa to go back to his country and that is NOT racist. Islam is NOT a race. Africa is not a race.

    But Trump said it and people were offended so it has to be racist. 2019! Everything is racist.

    I'll tell you what privilege is. Being able to redefine something because you're offended.
     
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    if you think telling someone to "go back to their country" isn't racist then there's really nothing more to say. like i said, it's even worse that he said this about women who are from america because it shows his backwards way of thinking. they're brown and have different names than us so of course they're from another country

    bet if some democrat had told melania to go back to where she came from you'd be spouting off about how the evil lefty librulz are all racists. keep drinking the kool-aid pal
     
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    No, because I don't bang my knee and scream racism. I might call them insensitive, immature, ridiculous, etc. All would be appropriate. Racist is not one of them. Unless we are still trying to redefine the word.

    What the left doesn't get is Trump is playing chess. He put these 4 socialist/ communist freshman to the forefront of the Democratic party. Who is running for the Party ticket again? Because I don't remember anything about them. Just these 4 clowns. Right now he's just saying check! Check! Check! Every move he makes is Check. Soon it will be checkmate.
     
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    LOL oh you're one of those "trump is always playing 32-D chess" people. figures

    yeah you could say he purposely said what he did to bring those representatives into the news. likely to try and get everyone to stop talking about the epstein stuff
     
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    Epstein.... Epstein.... hmmm... oh yeah, the guy Trump banned from his resort because of allegations.... 10 years ago.

    I think it's you Clinton liberals who want it out of the news. And because the Left owns the media, it will be out of the news. But how would they do that? Take a tweet that isn't racist and scream Racism! And Poof! It's gone. And the sheep say baaaaaaa
     
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    its in the news and its not good news for trump, despite any attempt he might make to erase it

    or the reason why he put those four representatives into the spotlight is because he plans to campaign against them for 2020 which would be an incredibly dumb idea considering none of them are running for POTUS
     
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    It's only bad news for Trump if his poll numbers go down or he can't raise money for his campaign. Neither of which have happened. Both have improved since the Mueller report came out.

    None of the 2020 Dem's have a strong individual public image. So the public will view them as they view the party they represent. Right now, the Dems' are largely known by the four "squad" women. All of whom have low approval ratings from the portion of the electorate they need to win the swing state votes. Ilhan Omar, in particular, has a 9% approval rating. https://www.axios.com/alexandria-oc...020-aeaa3771-f142-4059-b79e-1fed569dfdf9.html
     
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    Telling someone to go back to their country is discriminating. I dare you to tell someone to go back to their country to their face and see if they don’t get offended by that. Don’t want to call it racist? What do you call that then? Nationalism?

    The fact that I need to have this discussion with anyone tells me how backwards Trump has taken this country in 2019. It’s in our history books that these very same words came out the very same discriminatory mouths of segregationists of the past, and that was defined as racism as well because the connotations of "Go back to your country" were said in the same context as other racial discrimination and actions. You can try to defend the literal term of a person's "race" and racism, but it's always going to be known as a racist statement, not just in 2019.
     
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    Discriminating is accurate. Racism is not.

    I can discriminate against a person because of their weight or gender or appearance. That is NOT racism. Liberals scream racism about EVERYTHING. IMO, that is how you ended up with Trump. People get tired of hearing it when it's not the case. But hey, keep screaming it. Trump is acing this economy and I love it.

    1 more year until 4 more years.
     
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    You missed my point though. The statement "Go back to your country", while like you said, has nothing to do about race, was used in the same context as racial epithet. It was a phrase used by racists of the past and that's why it has a racist connotation. Liberals aren't bringing up anything new here.

    But yeah, let's change the subject to the economy...

    Because that's fine when big businesses are able to recycle money into the economy, it looks great, except when those promised manufacturing jobs are still disappearaing and farmers are given massive bailouts (your tax money) because trade tariffs are destroying their business (oh hey look, isn't that socialism?).
     
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    you have a point. he really wasn't lying when he said he could shoot someone in manhattan and get away with it

    we're still well over a year away from the election and the dem field is crowded so of course no single candidate has a strong image at the moment. and its not like trump's voter turnout would be affected by all this anyways. his base that is willing to die with him will vote for him no matter what. no voter a year from now is going to think to themselves "well i was going to vote for (insert D candidate here) but over a year ago democrats accused trump of being racist because of his comments so instead im gonna vote trump." anyone that is offended by dems calling out trump's racism was never going to vote democrat anyways

    trump/the GOP already tried labeling AOC, omar, etc as the faces of the democrats prior to the 2018 midterms and obviously that didn't work well for the GOP.
     
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    Trump is an idiot Boomer big mouth New Yorker who says idiot big mouth things unbecoming of a President. It's really that simple.

    Do I believe he truly hates certain minorities in his heart and thinks they're inferior to white people. Probably not. But he still has no feel for how bad the optics are when he pops off in an unmeasured way, which he does frequently.

    Either way, it's pretty amazing how little self-awareness the political left has in all of this. When you cry wolf about anything & everything being racist for long enough, people just tune you out. They ignore it. And when you've got an actual leg to stand on in calling out something that could actually be bigoted, it's being shouted to deaf ears because you went to that well FAR too many times.

    And when 90% of the media is a PR wing of the Democratic party, people simply roll their eyes and tune them out because they twist things to slant toward Dems all the time. People are tired of being misled.

    Trumpist & Leftists truly deserve each other. I, and the majority of center-left & center-right Americans hopefully, will fight the urge to pick a tribe in all this nonsense and stay intellectually honest. There are more of us than there are radicals.
     
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    So then why'd you even respond if you didn't want to have a discussion.
    :KobeConfused:
     
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    Ignorance is bliss I guess. You didn’t even try to rebuke your point. When there is no answer the discussion gets redirected to something else to sound agreeable. I’m not surprised one bit.

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    Yeah you lost me. I said the tweet wasn't racist. You said it was and that people with privilege are able to say it's not and then when I say that racism and privilege is mental, meaning what you believe is what it is, you want to have a word battle, and you are trying to portray me as the slow one?
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    Listen we disagree on this so no use in us trying to change each other's minds.

    If your words are racists, but your actions are not are you still racist? If you love everyone and are careful with your words but your actions are racist, are you racist? The question is what makes a person something, words or actions? Or both? If I say I hate you, but my actions prove to you that I actually love you, do I hate you or love you? Actions speak louder than words. Words can hurt, but actions can destroy. If people are hurt by the President's words, they could have the alternative, which is Hitler actions. Don't think anybody would want that. All in all people need to man up and stop being so sensitive about words that can't actually change your lives.

    Yeah I know, unfortunately. What's happening is being covered by alternate libertarian and conservative media, not mainstream. Not even so called right wing Fox News is covering it, so I'm sorry if I cannot give you a source that you would agree with.
     
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    so in your eyes, someone spewing racial epithets isn't a racist because unless you actually see the person making the comments put people in concentration camps, lynching someone, etc then that is the only way you can classify someone as racist

    well then

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    In a way yes. What I mean is if you say Trump has just said racist things, where is the evidence against black people, and Hispanics, and Asian, and Arabic that makes him a true racist. His policies are not racist and aren't keeping anyone of the minorities from progressing. None of them are oppressed so where is the evidence he is racist?
     
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    so it takes an actual hate crime to make someone racist. that is wrong on so many levels i'm not going to even bother
     
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    This is one of the most measured, thought-out, and honest takes I've seen during this whole presidency. Well done.
     
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