President Trump

Not sure what you're alluding to.

Selfishly ?

 

I fail to see the connection between a shooting and the economy under Trump.

Maxine Watters calls for Democrats to attack in restaraunts. Eric Holder said when Republicans go low to kick them. Hillary Clinton said they will be civil if they win House or Senate. But ignore those, Trump wants to protect Americans and enforce our laws and that's racist.

Honestly, I don't understand liberal logic.

 

Gender equality and racism? What has Trump done to set back gender equality? All those police shooting blacks and the riots happened under what president? Or are we just blaming him for slavery and everything after that ?

Media is powerful. Very powerful.

 

Trump is a self-centered, media obsessed POS. He couldn’t be bothered to mention the people bombs got sent to by name, he continued to blame the media for creating an environment that led to them getting bombs sent. He riles people up ar his rally with anti-media and anti-Hillary stuff instead of telling people to cool it for at least a bit to try and calm the atmosphere out there. Then after the synagogue shooting he’s asked about gun control and he says it wouldn’t have been as bad or have happened if someone inside was armed, my god does he not have a brain?

He’s delusional, going around saying the media shouldn’t be allowed to say whatever they want about him. This sort of thing is how Hitler got started, because people sat back as he continued to say crazier and crazier things while his supporters got louder and louder and more emboldened. Trump is a nut job, he’s taking our county backwards in many dangerous ways, and he’s starting to gain pretty much full control of the Fox News side of the media, which is also dangerous. I’m not even political, but this man is a lunatic and he’s running our country, he’s the worst president I’ve ever seen, and he’s making us look foolish to the entire world. We can’t let this happen a 2nd time, he’s got to go next election.

 

"We all agree on the need to better secure the border, and to punish employers who choose to hire illegal immigrants. We are a generous and welcoming people here in the United States but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those following the law. We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country."
-- President Trump

I'm sorry, but I just don't see anything wrong with this.

 

Zen master, what country are you from? What are your countries border / immigration policies??

You have strong opinions for someone not living here.

 

A guy from a country who has walls around it complaining that our president wants walls around it.

These thousands are all seeking asylum? You talked to each of them? Or the media told you that? And why don't they seek it in Mexico? I'll ask again, why don't they seek it in Mexico?

 

I'm a nationalist. Served 24 years because I believe America is exceptional. Everyone else can have pride in their nationality or race, but the minute a white American does it, it's racist. Trump is putting America first. I applaud him for that.

You can be bent out of shape about everything Trump does. I don't really care. 2 more years until 4 more years. Deal with it.

 

Zen, this is a wildly interesting point you're making.

Firstly, most liberal people (the loudest voices at the moment) would abhor your view on the wall. Most assume a wall is a detriment to the country, a symbol of racism, and a waste of time/tax payer dollars. Support of the wall is linked with racism and intolerance and standing against American values.

Secondly, I think the argument needs vastly more nuance than you're giving credit for. Personally, I didn't vote for Trump. I find him obnoxious and unsuitable to be President. I find his attacks on the media to be concerning and I actually do agree that he shows a tendency towards past dictators in the way he can sow discord. His lack of empathy and tact are what make him a disgrace to the office, not necessarily his politics. I do however think that he's done some good things and I think his war on the media is just that: a war. The media attacks him as much or more than he attacks them. I've seen direct quotes misrepresented, I've seen stories purposely not covered, and I've seen words twisted in ways that make me very uncomfortable.

Thirdly, I think using Trump as a boogie man OR a call to action is a cop out for people who are inherently inclined to be ***holes. I've seen nearly as much intolerance towards Trump and his supporters as I've seen from Trump and his supporters, maybe more even. Hell, your posts in this thread a great example of it. How much of his policies or his actions do you actually follow?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...t-hes-done-20-things-right-column/1258575002/

Here's a good list of things he's done "right". I agree with many of them. The tax cuts have been a tremendous boon to the economy and I think we're reaching a point where it's clear what he's doing is helping the economy and can be rightfully credited to him. Unemployment is down nation-wide. He's tried to tackle opioides and by extension got into Big Pharma a bit (although that needs far, far more work). He opened dialogue with North Korea and got them to disarm their Nuclear program. If Obama had done that, what would the reaction have been? Hell if Bush had done that, he'd have been given an award of some sort. There are many things he's done right in office that are either spun as negative or are simply not covered. He's discredited almost immediately for things he's done too and thus the war with the media rages on.

All that said, again: I don't like Trump. I think it'd be difficult to have a civil conversation with him on any topic. He certainly does breed toxicity in a way that's alarming after the milk-warm presidency of Obama who was incredibly likable, but didn't accomplish much besides Universal Healthcare which was rushed and has been a disastrous roller coaster.

I think it's unfair for any nation to cast stones at Trump while he fights his own media, his own ego, and the rest of the world as well. In some ways, that's admirable (even though a good portion of it is self-inflicted). Even so, who are the European countries to judge? Brexit is raging on. Greece is an economic dumpster fire. Italy is an economic s*** show. It's not like Europe is a paragon of health and prosperity. The Scandinavian countries are closest, but not every country is as small or sparsely populated. I'm not convinced what works there works everywhere else in the world.