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Good to know. Doomsayers will pull insignificant stats from anywhere I suppose.

 

Yes, very interesting. Even if there is fraud and they have proof, there appears to be very little way to get it recognized. If only those lawyers knew the law like Rob know the salary cap.

Unless they do and are playing games, it doesn't look fruitful. But if the fraud isn't dealt with (And they are basically saying no jurisdiction or not their role to get involved) not that there is no fraud, the people will end up being heard another way.

Other stuff I'm reading is that the election will ultimately come down to one vote per state, and if so, Trump wins in a landslide. All of this may be a precursor to that happening, or it could all be an exercise in futility. Thanks for posting.

I was reading CNN and Reuters last night for some updates, and the spin job they do is flat out amazing. Also disturbing. Our press no longer prints the facts or has integrity. Will they ever be called to account? I don't think so unless Trump gets 4 more years. The left is benefitting, so there is no desire for change from their side.

 

And there is no spin from your TikTok channels though right? TikTok is the unfiltered and unbiased truth, every other big media institution are democratic puppets. Is that the gist of it?

Would I be incorrect in assuming that you brought up the thing about Kamala not stepping down yet, specifically because one of your TikTok’ers actually tried to suggest that as evidence that the election was fraud and she’s trying to cover her bases? And you bought in to that idea until 432J brought the fact check?

 

Oh there is always spin from every source, and I know that. I could try to search for other network youtube recordings I suppose, but it's where I was and it was convenient. I'm under no delusion that I "found the secret source of unbiased media", so I apologize if it came off that way. It's beneficial to read both sides, and so I did.

And where I did not fact check, and I didn't fact check either side of that statement for or against, but yes, I'm guilty of parroting someone saying it from TikTok lol. I'm giving 432J more the benefit of the doubt as a long time member here over a TikTok'er I know nothing about. None of it is worth arguing about, but I started posting some of the stuff when some were so quick to dismiss the voting fraud.

There was absolutely mass coordinated voter fraud, and it's already proven. Having a case thrown out of court for various reasons doesn't change that. If after watching much of that evidence, if you can still say there was no fraud, then there isn't anything to discuss. Getting your speeding ticket thrown out because you use prepaid legal doesn't mean you didn't speed either.

 

Pennsylvania violated their own state constitution when they implemented mass mail-in voting.

 

I’m not sure if this is just posturing, or if it will actually affect anything. I think the ultimate goal is to get to the Supreme Court and to do exactly what I was mentioning earlier, and enact the constitutional provision that gives each state one vote and bypasses the general election. If that’s true, game over.



also, GO TEXAS!

 

I can’t figure out why 17 States have joined TX so far taking 4 swing states to the Supreme Court if there wasn’t massive fraud.

there is zero evidence

 

Trump should just admit defeat and let the country move on. There isn't enough evidence to overturn the election. Some fraud exists but it's impossible for them to audit without all parties being interested in doing so. Vaccine is out soon so there is only good news ahead. Trump should just go off into the sunset at this point because this country has to move on once we get past COVID.

 

Well, that’s one perspective. Apparently over 150 million people don’t share it, so I guess we go to the Supreme Court and let them decide the matter.

 

Exactly the problem with Trump’s attack on democracy. So many BS cases and attempts, so it gives the illusion of “where there is smoke there is fire”, when that’s not actually the case. The supporters latch on to a new smoking gun every other day. When nothing comes of the Texas case, they will be ready with excuses, and ready to move on to some new attempt to overturn the election that they’re 100% convinced will finally be the one.

When you stay “states are joining”, you know that doesn’t mean all the people in the state support that right? All it takes is the state to have a republican Attorney General. Not sure where you get the idea that 150 million people are on board with this nonsense. And for someone who claims to be focused on integrity of the democratic process, to just casually suggest “well I guess we let the 9 people nominated to the Supreme Court, commonly on a partisan basis, decide the election” is quite funny (if it weren’t so scary how easily Trump is manipulating his supporters into bowing to authoritarianism).

So why would these Trump loyalist hacks put their name in the ring for this bogus case? Simple. Self interest. They see it as politically advantageous to earn the good will of the Trump supporters.

For the Texas attorney general? Even simpler. Earn a pardon.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/11/17/texas-ken-paxton-fbi/

Do you understand the premise of the Texas lawsuit? They are arguing that the mechanism that other states used internally to adjust their election rules was unconstitutional, and thereby are disenfranchising the votes of Texas own citizens. It is such a weak argument, and it now has conservative Republicans supporting the idea that certain states can dictate the policies of other states, on what is clearly a partisan basis to back Trump. What happened to state’s rights?

January 1st can’t come soon enough, finally I won’t be goaded into indulging this absurdity by someone who is clearly just trolling and actually a Biden supporter

 

Might be 28 States now, wow.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJqkvL6h/

I’m starting to get concerned for our boy Biden. So many people need pardons I guess, but like you said....January can’t come soon enough. Too bad this thread won’t be open for you to gloat.

You are the first person I have heard say that the lawsuit started by Texas is weak though. Looks to have merit, and that states broke the law by not having changes run through the legislature. May end up causing the results thrown out.

zuckerberg would be pretty upset after investing 400,000,000 in this election and donating so many faulty voting machines.

also interesting that 48 states signed on to go after FB for anti-Trust laws. YouTube/owned by Google announces they will take down any content saying anything about voter fraud.

apparently they’ve decided the election is over and want to control the narrative. If they are wrong on this, this could be a huge tactical mistake. 230 is going away soon, and they will likely be broken up as well.

 

I’ve heard much about these claims about the Texas case from Trump supporters, I just don’t think they have much merit. If you’ve never even HEARD the opposing viewpoint that the lawsuit is weak, that’s a pretty clear indication that you’re in a one-sided echo chamber. The idea that 150 million people agree with this stuff is further evidence.

If you are interested in why the lawsuit is weak: https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/12/08/dale-carpenter-texas-election-lawsuit-paxton-unrealistic/

If/when nothing comes from the Texas case, I would hope you’d reflect upon the merits of the information you consumed that led you to so strongly believe it was a strong case. Rather then hiding behind “well I was never that emotionally invested anyways” and using that as justification to continue believing so strongly in these TikTok channels and spreading bad information because “well it’s fun”.

I don’t think I’m gloating now, or would have planned on gloating after Biden gets inaugurated. Maybe it’s semantics though. When Doc Rivers claims that the Lakers never beat his C Bags starting 5, and the Laker fanbase laughs him off, is that considered gloating?

 

PM me.

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Tik Tok is nothing more than another Social Media platform, but one that isn't as highly censored. "I won't look at it, but YOU are on the one in an echo chamber"

Got it.

All I know is that I hope Biden is a good president. A lot of good people will die because of his election.

 

That wasn’t me who said I never watch TikTok. I had mentioned that I have tried skimming through many of the videos you posted, I just didn’t agree and found most of them very unconvincing.

The poster who said they don’t watch TikTok is probably more inclined to agree with you politically than me, and they are also probably pretty confused at what must look like a one-sided conversation considering that they blocked me for my pie charts back when we were debating BLM

Would you care to elaborate, who will be killing who if Biden takes office?

 

What does Vegas know?

 

As expected, Texas lawsuit rejected by Supreme Court.

 

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