President Trump

i mean, a quick google search would bring up the actual legal documents if you really do believe that these cases being thrown out are "fake news." but i'll leave you to find your way around the alternate reality you're living in

enjoy tiktok

 

I have a feeling we’re talking about different phrases, but like I said, don’t really know and am not emotionally invested. But if you want to impress anyone, I’ve provided lots of specific claims on video to refute.

the outlook isn’t as Rosie as you think it is.

and TikTok is hilarious. Just launching a TikTok online themed store because I think it’s hilarious.

but on a serious note, if either side has been dismissive, rude, condescending of others and their opinions turn out to be wrong, I hope they are adult enough to apologize if necessary.

 

If this stuff ends up being true, will it change how you feel about the Democratic Party? Do you feel the cheating was justified and “doing whatever it took” to get rid of Trump?
Will you be embarrassed that you are now associated with corruption and cheating?

 

Biden used a cancer charity to avoid taxes and scam donors out of nearly 5 million. They never gave any grants to research.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJVLdYgf/

(If this was a Republican, he’d be crucified)

 

This woman appears to be pure evil from a distance, and single-handed lay has stopped relief bills to shove it up Trumps arse to the detriment of millions in need.

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJVLr9Wx/

love to hear perspective from someone who likes her

 

You’ve posted a lot of links Sirron, I haven’t looked at them all closely but have skimmed through a good handful of them. I didn’t see anything convincing. Clips of Fox News and Bannon. Clearly edited clips of Biden. Mostly seemed to have been people who are clearly Trump supporters echoing the claims of fraud, but without actually proving it.

The burden of evidence lies on the side making the claim, especially when it comes to such a big claim that the Democrats have conspired to steal the election. I haven’t seen any convincing claims that have passed the buck onto the other side to have to refute. It’s also odd that on one hand we have Biden going to prison for election fraud, yet on the other hand the only evidence for said fraud is these TikTok videos and the actual mechanisms being attempted to overturn the election all continue to fail. How is Biden going to prison if the “deep state” is still so powerful that it is stopping Trump’s appeals? Seems inconsistent, like the conspiracy theorists have to hedge their bets.

I think you are posing some dangerous and baseless claims and have not met the burden of proof. You are suggesting that we have responded by being rude, dismissive, and condescending for not agreeing with your opinion.

But making claims like this isn’t an opinion. I’m sorry, but you can’t just pull the “well TikTok is hilarious”, “well I’m not that emotionally invested”, “well it’s just my opinion” card when your trying to claim what might be the biggest political crime in the history of the world. Your stance is clear, and by taking such a stance that many of us see as outlandish, baseless, and dangerous, you will open to yourselves up to some condescending responses.

But I’ll entertain your question. If all the TikTok videos are right and Trump gets inaugurated because his side is able to prove mass voter fraud from the democrats, I would absolutely apologize for any of my condescension and would absolute be ashamed for being associated with cheaters (although for what it’s worth, I’m already quite embarrassed for having to be associated with the Democratic Party )

Counter-question: What if YOU’RE wrong? What if Trump’s attempts to overturn the election continue to be shot down by our legal institutions and we end up with an uneventful inauguration for Biden. Will YOU be embarrassed for having pushed a false conspiracy theory that attacked the integrity of our democratic process, all in an effort to keep Trump in power? Will you reflect on your biases and question your news sources?

Or will this only embolden your belief that the Democrats have stolen the election? Further encourage you down the rabbit hole of these conservative TikTok channels? Increase your emotional investment into these conspiracy theories? This is what terrifies me.

And on your last point ... nobody likes Nancy Pelosi lmao

 

Lol thanks brother

I think you say baseless just because you haven’t gotten to the good stuff. Part of the reason is the MSM refuses to cover it, and in one instance, (I want to say Michigan) all of the media got up at once and left together before damning video evidence was shown at the hearing. Very odd to have Representatives call out the Press to do their job, but this has become the norm. None of these hearing were broadcast live by the way, so it’s only on alternative networks where you can find the info.

I don’t feel like people have been that rude or condescending to me personally, but it has definitely occurred to others. Just hard to see it. Overall, the left has become extremely hardcore and underhanded in their approach, and show zero tolerance to opposing viewpoints without getting abusive. (Much of the right feels this way)

if you do have time and choose to look through some of the clips, I think you will agree it is indisputable that there is at least some voter fraud. I don’t know if it will change the election results, but I don’t think I have anything to apologize for if I’m posting things that are actually true.

If it turns out some of the stuff I posted was just crackpot people with crazy theories, I am happy to on that for sure.

Again, since I’m not hard-core Republican, it really doesn’t make that big of a difference to me. But having a fair and accurate election is essential to the future of the country. Some are estimating the actual results - if there wasn’t fraud - was closer to 400 electoral college votes for Trump which I think is hilarious also. I can’t imagine it being true since he’s had such negative coverage for 4 years. It would be incredibly fascinating if it was true though.

Biden basically stayed in his basement the entire campaign trail and did very little if any campaigning whatsoever, but he had 80 million votes vs 62 million for Obama’s last run? He lost ground to Obama’s percentages apparently in every state except for the swing states where the percentage was sharply higher. Allegedly due to voter fraud...

I hope that once all of the facts are in the left will take a very good look and how things have been running and have a slightly different conciliatory approach toward the right because everything has been for the most part very hard-core that either you are with us or you are the enemy. Either you agree with us or are a nazi, misogynist, racist, xenophobic, blah blah blah.

I think if the truth comes out snd the left won fair and square, you will find the right to be conciliatory. But if there is fraud, and the left thinks they are getting over on the right, I think you will see awakened a percentage of the population that will make their feelings very well known.

you’re talking about fixing a Presidential election, and this is the stuff that civil war is made of.

 

Sirron going down the rabbit hole.

 

Be careful going down that hole sirron

 

that's because it was never intended to give any grants to research in the first place

from the charity's archived website

Q: Is the Biden Cancer Initiative a grant-giving organization?

No. The Biden Cancer Initiative will largely not be a grant-giving organization and will accomplish its mission through convening, connecting partners, catalyzing new actions, and providing venues to discuss progress and develop new actions and collaborations.

https://archive.bidencancer.org/faqs/

here's an article which disproves the BS NY Post article
https://www.cancerhealth.com/article/truth-biden-cancer-initiative

damn, it's scary how easily people fall for this kind of stuff. now if you want to talk about someone using a cancer charity for their own benefit, we can talk about eric trump

 

So you're talking about fixing a Presidential election. I'm talking about a sore loser utilizing disinformation to mislead his millions of followers into falsely believing the election was stolen, when it wasn't. I.e, trying to spark a civil war to maintain power. That's the other side of the coin you need to consider, and it is equally treasonous. And I don't even like using the "other side of the coin" analogy, because it's not weighted 50/50. Not even close. If you think the right has presented enough evidence to the point where it's 50/50 on whether there has been coordinated fraud from the Democrats in sufficient numbers to steal the election, then I don't know what to say.

So no, if the election ends up with Trump being unable to use the constitutional and legal mechanisms available to him to overturn the election and Biden gets inaugurated, the right can't just put their hands up in the air and say "Welp, guess we were wrong, now the left needs to reconcile with us".

On this note though ... why shouldn't there be any conciliatory moves from the right? Right here, you already dismiss some of the concerns of the left as "blah, blah, blah". (As if the right doesn't similarly have an "either you agree with us, or you are a communist/cuck/sheep, blah blah blah" attitude).

There needs to be an effort from the right to understand why many on the left viewed Trump's policies and rhetoric as so harmful (and in some cases, racist and misogynistic). There needs to be an effort from the supposed good people on the right to reflect and call out the legitimate segments of racist and misogny within their base.

But the scary part is that I don't even see that being in the cards. What in your view determines "if the truth comes out and the left won fair and square"? I think this portion of the right is already quite convinced and will trend towards civil war type actions regardless.

 

https://apple.news/A4Jem5OykQ7mOZqEdjN5Gmg

Alabama joins the fight. I didn’t think they were a disputed state.

 

I’m sure every single politician plays this game. It’s a front for non taxable expendable income, and I’m pretty sure they all do it.

love to see how many parties he “connected” together.

 

Federal court overruled Trump and restores DACA program, orders DHS to accept new applicants

https://apple.news/A6S0_-ZpETZi1oYHbGaORVQ

 

Some potential legal maneuvering?

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJVFSJGk/

 

It refers to their right to withhold the electoral votes. The constitution actually has a system in place for situations like this. If there was enough cooperation, the presidency could actually be determined by giving every state one vote to cast. In that case, Trump has many more states than Biden regardless of what the popular vote would represent. Pretty wild scenario, but I think that’s where they are hoping to push things if they have enough proof.

 

i really can't tell if you're just trolling at this point

it's time to accept reality my friend

 

Again, I don’t much care, but do think Trump is the better candidate. I had already accepted Biden won, but thought it was all suspicious from the time ig ended.

now, for fun, I am predicting that Trump will be doing a second term and this election will be overturned. If I’m wrong, no harm, no foul.

 

I don’t think “no harm, no foul” applies to peddling conspiracy theories alleging the greatest crime in American history (and in the COVID thread, conspiracy theories that deny the significance and mitigation attempts of a virus that has killed nearly 300k Americans and on pace to kill a 9/11’s worth of Americans a day within a few weeks).

There is much harm in falsely discrediting the integrity of our democratic process. You are contributing to a group of thought that is being rampantly pushed by many who DO care intensely. People who take what you are suggesting is a fun/innocent conspiracy as the undeniable truth. People who will not be able to cope with reality when said conspiracy theories never come to fruition as it will only embolden their views. People who as a result may very well cause literal harm. And given your mentions of civil war, you seem to know this.

If/when Trump fails to prove widespread election fraud on behalf of the Democrats to steal the election, and Biden gets inaugurated and the inevitable harm follows, I will be calling foul.

If/when one of my family members gets significantly harmed by COVID, I will be calling foul.