Official Whine, Moan, Complain Thread 19/20-CLOSED "WE CHAMPS!"

Cant put a price on vet leadership

 

I think Deng has a friendlier contract than JR Smith or Chandler. He can still be valuable and productive as a small ball PF. Asik, Noah, and Miles Plumlee are clearly worse than Mozgov so I agree with the rest of the list.

 

How so? Chandler and smith are on 3yr contracts and smith 3rd yr is only partial guaranteed and is actually decent 3pt shooter. Parson is terrible but again on 3yrs

 

They're both on 4 yr contracts. Fourth year of JR's contract is guaranteed unless they waive him after the 2018-19 season.

 

Hmmm....u right but the link says 3yrs and it says 3yrs for deng too lol....if only hahaaa

 

I don't know that Noah is a worse player than Mozgov. In just 22.8 minutes, he is averaging 9 rebounds 2.4 assists 0.9 steals 0.7 blocks, so he is still a defensive presence who can pass the rock. Yesterday he put up 6 points 14 rebounds 5 assists 2 steals 3 blocks - albeit his best game in forever and required a quadruple-OT gam. If Moz did that, we'd be throwing him a parade. That said, Noah's contract is worse though in that it's larger and I have more confidence in Moz holding up physically for the duration of the contract than I do Noah, who I have zero confidence in. So I agree in it being at the top of the list in terms of untradeable.

I have ZERO clue why Milwaukee gave Miles Plumlee that contract. He looked good his 2nd year in the NBA - on a different team - but did little his 3rd and 4th year. Not only did he not warrant that type of money, the Bucks weren't in need of him. They still had Monroe and Henson and just drafted Thon Maker, who is raw but serviceable as a 3rd big man. So to get the contract he did was inexplicable.

Parsons IMO should be higher on the list in terms of being untradeable right now. It was a massive contract (4 years 94.8 million) and he flat out sucks. While he is more likely to meet the value of that contract in the future than Deng is to meet his, right now no team in their right mind would trade for Parsons.

Ian Mahinmi should be on the list. He got the same contract as Moz, is an equally mediocre player and is currently injured.

 

The link is doing the math after this season. So that's why it has 3 years for all those guys.

That said, JR Smith has a friendlier contract than Deng. In addition to being cheaper in general by 15 million (Smith 4 years 57 million versus Deng 4 years 72 million), as noted the 4th season for Smith is only partially guaranteed as the Cavs can waive him right after the 3rd season. Thus reducing the cost of the contract, and the gap versus Deng, even further.

 

I'd put Parsons high on my list. I don't think he'll ever be a 32 minutes a game guy.
61 of his 137 shot attempts this year are 3's. He's just a perimeter stand out and shoot it guy now with bad knees. Not an attacker, or much of a creator. I don't see them ever getting anywhere close to value in his 4 year contract.

 

parsons is definitely the worst contract in the league right now. very troublesome knee issues, huge contract, not great production even on the rare occasion he's healthy. i was very surprised that two teams chucked max at him when his own team wouldn't consider it. red flags, folks.

 

There will be more and more terrible contracts taking into account the cap explosion/the designed veteran exception .

To give huge and lengthy extensions to 30+ years old players is going to be bad , really bad

By instance, at least half of CP3 next contract will be a complete disaster

 

NOOOOOOO!!!!!! That just sucks. Terrible!!!!!!

 

Sucks, whoever did it knew he would be gone during that time. A lot of hard work went into those rings.

 

This WMC has been weighing on me lately - the narrative that suggests the only way to get better is to acquire "can't miss" talent - whether it be through the draft, trade or free agency.

This notion is dominating the league right now, and I feel like it doesn't do enough justice to the other side of the coin - player development. I think of guys like Jimmy Butler, Giannis, Kawhi Leonard and even Paul George. They scratched and clawed their way into improving their games and now they're considered top 10 or 15 players in the league. Who is to say that one of our young guys can't work hard to get to this level? Butler was drafted in 2011 and is 27 years old. Let that sink in for a moment. He was on no one's radar for a solid 3 years!

Granted, we don't have Pop and the Spurs roster... or even Thibs and the Rose-era Bulls' roster... to groom players the way they did. But we have Luke and his staff, and that's a start towards building a team that can properly develop players.

Joel Embiid is a force and I'm glad the Sixers are finding success lately, but I am just sick and tired about hearing about "the process". It's utter BS when I open Bleacher Report and see an article titled "The Lakers must be more like the Sixers" or some crap like that. Can we just admit that eccentric Sam Hinkie and Joel Embiid being fortunately healthy is just a sexier story than Jimmy Butler putting up jumpers during the summer? Most reports coming out of 2014 draft workouts had people saying Embiid was going to be excellent, no matter where he ended up. That doesn't make Hinkie or "the process" genius or smart by any stretch. Just very, very fortunate in 2017.

There is lots of talent on this roster and we have resources to develop it. It will just take a long time, longer than any of us are used to.

 

While I get your point, it wasn't necessarily about "scratching and clawing their way into improving their games" for those guys but more so waiting for an opportunity. Butler and Kawhi were drafted on to very good teams who didn't need them to contribute that much, if at all, right away. George was drafted onto a Pacers squad that was deep at his position, including a solid veteran in Granger. Giannis was drafted on to a Bucks team that wasn't good but was deep at his position. Each eventually earned significant minutes - some quicker than others - and have blossomed into studs but it took them earning their opportunity. This isn't to say that hard work didn't play into their development but more so to say that the reason they came along slowly was more about their situation than anything. Each were afforded that luxury.....

No such luxury with the Lakers' young talent. These young kids were drafted onto a bad team and handed minutes right away. Sure hard work and time could have Russell, Randle and Ingram develop into studs but I wouldn't be looking at these particular comparisons as reasons for its potential because the situations are different. The more apt comparisons are those young talents thrown into the fire right away and did quite well and there are numerous examples of those.