Official Whine, Moan, Complain Thread 19/20-CLOSED "WE CHAMPS!"

Right. We got off to a bad start with the Buss family drama. Things still have to be tense at any family gatherings.

 

Eh, I know I'm supposed to shut up about it, but the Paul veto is why we're here more than anything.

 

And our ownership is trying to hop into the DMs of a Twitter guy the same day we have a game that essentially ( no scratch that) definitely put us out of the playoffs.

s*** isn’t funny when we are losing. Not surprising the s*** runs downhill too. Dr Buss we need you now more than ever

 

"I can't help if I was dreaming about Some Wob"

 

Definitely true but I think Dr Buss at full health would’ve guided us much better the last few years. If nothing else, he would’ve been able to close more deals and work the league and other owners better.

 

i think what's worse is that it's clear these guys don't really care to win. that's a leadership problem and the main reason i'm ok with firing luke (i disagree with most of the other criticisms, tbh). but lebron's the head of that snake. i suppose he and his folks always figured they'd replace everyone within a year or two, but it's disappointing that he didn't give the young guys more of a chance to prove something and that this was obvious to everyone in the locker room, likely from early on. it's hard to get motivated under those circumstances. meanwhile, beverly was playing like his children's lives depended upon the outcome of each possession last night. lebron was letting garrett temple roast him in isolation.

 

I've been a Lakers fan for about 30 years (don't remember much before that). I moved out of Southern California 15 years ago and the only thing that hasn't changed is that I'm a Lakers fan above all. I thought there was no way the predictable and worst case scenario could play out after signing Lebron, but now it's definitely on the table. For the first time ever, I'm starting to question how much I'll be able to care about the franchise in the next year or two. I followed even through the recently dark years because I appreciated a lot of the young talent and enjoyed watching them develop. I'm just not that interested in a Lebron team if they get rid of all the kids I've been watching grow these last 2-3 seasons. This isn't a chicken little, sky is falling post. When we got to this point in the season the last few years, I was at least looking forward to the optimism of a fresh start the following season. Now? I just don't know if I'll have it in me to care. I've got the Nets right down the street now and while I can never develop the same emotional tie that I've had as a Lakers fan, I'd rather watch a fun, young team that play hard every single night over a team of hired mercenaries. This post is assuming that my fears of trading away all of the young players come true. We'll see, but I'm losing the energy to stay up late for this garbage.

 

Reason number one I want Beverley next year. He’s not going to let anyone slip, he’s not fake and he brings it. It doesn’t matter if it’s Lebron or the 15th man on the bench, he’s going all out. We need that in a bad way.

 

he'll probably stay with the clipps on a good team deal like Lou did for them.

 

seeing the way beverley treated last night like a finals 7 game was hilarious and cringy

but goddamn would i love to have him on the lakers

 

our FO clearly did not approach the roster construction appropriately once they signed James, and the AD fiasco did not help any....all FINGERS need to be pointed at Maginka failure 1st then trickle down to Luke, James, and the rest of the team.

-just to add, James/Magic has ruined this team for me personally, nothing feels right anymore I dont even know if I should keep on rooting for the young guys cause I dont even know if they'll still be here after this season and the vet signing well I have no sentiments towards them, they're just there.

 

Yeah, we are starting to become the West Coast version of the Knicks at this rate.

 

this is more like the Niners, they were powerhouses in the 90's and then the "kids" took over and outside of that Harbough era, its been a cluster F of an org. now.

 

For now. I'm still hoping for a turnaround. Magic is off to a hit and miss start, but there are few people I'd rather have in a room with a big time free agent than him. He's got his work cut out for him though.

I think they all just have to stop being stubborn and bring in some heavy hitters on all levels to assist with scouting, analytics, managing the cap, etc.

Magic has not been on the job long even though it feels like forever since his presence is always around the franchise (with good reason). He can turn this around but he's got to acknowledge what went wrong this year and really commit to moving forward the right way.

 

Yeah. The other great franchises who have gone through this worry me.

 

I was counting our Butler trade in that remark, but I can see how that was confusing. Compared to what superstars were getting at that time, that was a low haul. Especially for Shaq of all people. The consensus was we definitely could've gotten more at that time.

Everyone on LG and CL was mad about the 2010 cap plan. It was wasting Kobe's prime and in 2005 we were waiting 5 years to get him any help. In fact that's why we didn't even pay for a point guard and got Smush Parker of all people. That's completely different than saving up cap space for just one year to go after free agents. It would be like if Miami waited 5 years to bring in D-Wade and Bosh to help LeBron back in 2010.

Our draft selection was nothing to brag about. Over the years, the only useful draft pick we had was Bynum until we got Julius Randle. No gems found in the late first or early second round. This is why the team started to decline heavily after 2010. We just didn't have the new influx of young talent that a team like the Spurs did to support its stars. That's almost 10 years without a good draft! That point actually supports my narrative.

He was the GM for a long time. If all he really has to his name is 2 trades and 1 failed trade, that's pathetic. I've shown systematic cost saving decision making, including firing most of our staff, trading away picks, and just general incompetence from the top down.

That's not the point. It's the pattern. One of the picks we also threw away ended up becoming Rondo. Mozgov and Deng were just the icing on the cake. Mitch was just very, very lucky to have Kobe Bryant. Once he retired, the true colors of this organization were more apparent than ever.

 

I heard lebron tell Kuz "cmon man, stop committing stupid fouls", he angirly said "move, move!" and guided him where to go and general "cmon maaaan" in a angry tone. Thats all i could hear, but lebron def had more to say i just didn't hear it. Nothing too crazy but it was non stop in the first half. Green on the clips was telling lebron hes overrated and that he blocked him ( it was a foul). Lebron laughed it off mostly. It was Rondo who came over and started talking Sh** to him on lebrons behalf. I always hated Rondo, but im a fan after last night. He's the only one with the "old school" mentality. Hes basically our enforcer lol

 

Thanks man, always interesting to hear what really goes on. I have had the opportunity once to sit pretty close up at Staples (though not courtside) and I couldn't hear a thing.

Also explains why Kuzma may have pushed LeBron on that closeout. He probably had it up to here with losing and LeBron being in his ear all night.

 

I think you're right. Lebron kinda passive aggressively "bi***hes to the team and meanwhile he is taking plays off. Especially on the defensive end. Young guys want leaders to lead by example. I've always wanted to sit court side it was a really cool experience. A friends friend had the tix and couldn't make it, he sold it to me for about half the price i couldn't turn it down.