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  1. EddieEddie

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    I don't agree with the Marshall comparison because Ball is better and certainly far more assertive as a scorer. In college, Marshall was pass-first, pass-second and pass-third. He only averaged 6.2 points his freshman year and 8.1 points his sophomore year. Ball is averaging more than that combined at 14.9 right now as a freshman. In those 2 years, Marshall only attempted 5.6 shots a game and 1.8 threes a game. Whereas Ball is taking 9.5 shots a game and 5.6 threes a game - with remarkable percentages of 53.8% and 43.1% respectively. Whereas Marshall was at 44.6% and 36.6% respectively in his 2 years. A lot of that is Marshall just wasn't overly quick or athletic. He didn't have a good first step or much elevation and that hurt his ability to get to the basket. While Ball isn't going to garner comparisons to Russell Westbrook in the physical tools department, he is quicker and more athletic than Marshall and much better ability to get to the rim. Entering the draft, both will have passing ability marked as their main selling point but unlike Marshall, it won't be the only offensive selling point.

    Which is why that article also noted comparisons of Rubio with a jumpshot and skinnier Jason Kidd. I like the sound of that.
     
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    Conley is a great leader, hard worker, great attitude, team first guy. I don't see any of that yet in DLO
     
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    I'd trade russ for wall in a heartbeat. I'd do it as fast as possible before the wizards realized they got robbed.
     
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    I love the sound of skinnier Jason Kidd, but which outcome is more likely? Drafting is always an imperfect science as we try to compare upcoming kids to previous players which is unfair but part of the process.

    Ball gets to the rim pretty well because he's a big kid and can shift speeds pretty well. However, I'm not sure he's explosive enough in space to finish at the NBA level. I'm not sure his jump shot translates at all and that's a big problem. The jump shot is why I see a bigger, better version of Marshall at times when I watch Lonzo play. He's not crafty enough to get NBA separation at this point in his career. Can he do it at the NBA level? Maybe, but that's asking a lot.

    I actually think he fits the system fairly well though if he can work off the ball some. If he can get free off a screen where there's no defender near his shot, then that's something that could work. I don't however see him being able to shoot over the top of NBA defenders with what he's got right now. I think he's a clear step behind Fultz, but still in my Top 3.
     
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    Ball has that weird hitch in his shot like Kevin Martin, but martin was pretty good scorer for a while even with the hitch.....i do hope we keep the pick, i do think we need to trade one of dlo or randle and fillers for more established player.
     
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    Yeah but Martin had size and could create separation. I'm not saying Ball can't do that, but I haven't seen it yet.
     
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    Serge Ibaka is available...Zublocka and Iblocka in the front court
     
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    I said it a while ago, Ibaka is a target of mine in FA. If he's on the block now, I check in to see what's up. I know Orlando would prefer to move Vucevic though.

    For what it's worth Pincus brought up Stanley Johnson's name as a trade target. I'd trade Nick or Lou for Stanley Johnson. The pieces don't match up perfectly, but it can be done. That gives us a workable young piece and Stanley Johnson doesn't quite fit what Detroit is doing right now. No it's not a pick, but it's at least a valuable asset in return for a veteran we're unlikely to pay this summer.
     
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    I like that Stanley Johnson idea
     
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    Johnson can be that dirty work, do-everything player that will play with consistent effort much like what Thomas Robinson has shown.
     
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    Hmmm Stanley Johnson is intriguing. If we can get him for just Nick or Lou I would do it immediately.
     
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    I would prefer if possibly (if we had a choice) that we could trade Lou, not Nick for Stanley
     
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    I made a trade idea in another thread involving Detroit and Lou, explaining why they'd be interested in him. That idea was Ish Smith + 2017 1st rounder. I think they'd be more likely give up Stanley Johnson for Lou. The former is pretty much expendable with Harris, Morris and Caldwell-Pope eating up the SG/SF minutes and the team still has Bullock and their last two 2nd rounders in Hilliard/Gbinije at the same positions. On top of that, given their depth at PG, Lou would likely see his minutes at SG anyways. I think this is a very legitimate trade idea.
     
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    I dont see det giving up on Johnson this quickly, hes only in his 2nd yr and det might also be hesitant to give kcp that max lvl ext that he'll most likely want
     
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    I would fire Kupchak for the Isaiah Thomas screw up. The guy was begging to come to LA :Kobe Speechless:
     
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    I just don't see a way Detroit parts with what'll absolutely be a 1st in the teens. Maybe a future 1st, but even then I'm not confident.

    Something like Stanley Johnson, Reggie Bullock, and a 2nd or two for Lou Williams would work financially. We'd have to waive somebody though.
     
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    Then you'd fire almost every other GM too. We were after bigger fish and would have probably gone after IT if he waited a while longer. Plus, no one knew he was going to be this good.
     
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    The situation in Chicago is far from paradise and it's surprisingly isn't all revolved around Rondo. Any thoughts on if we can capitalize on a disgruntled Jimmy Butler?
     
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    Id trade for rondo.....i think he can alleviate Dlo load and give dlo more freedom as a scorer. As for butler, chi is going to ask for at least 2 of our young guys and at least one of dlo or ingram, dont think its worth it, butler cant make chi good, how hes gona do here? If they want jc, randle and a future pick then by all means take it
     
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    I wouldn't say he's disgruntled, but that the FO is a shady place that doesn't treat players well. Now IF he's on the block (which I doubt), I'd move some of the kids to get to him. Absolutely. I'd move Randle, Clarkson, and Lou for him today. Yesterday even.

    I don't think that's enough though. If I were the Timberwolves (who almost had him already), I'd offer something like Rubio, LaVine, and a pick for him. Does our offer stack up?

    edit- also keep in mind that if Butler isn't satisfied with the work ethic of the young guys over there I'm not sure he'd love our kids much either.
     
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