Marvel's Most Wanted, the Agents of SHIELD spin-off starring Bobbi and Hunter, has NOT been picked up by ABC. Agent Carter, starring the gorgeous Hayley Atwell, was also canceled. Tough day for Marvel TV. Also the Muppets was canceled...
While Bobbi and Hunter were fun characters, I don't think they can carry a show on their own. They worked really well off of other characters. And wouldn't their show just be a spy show since they don't have powers. Sucks about Agent Carter, wasn't the best of shows but Peggy and Jarvis were great characters. Wish we got to see the forming of SHIELD though.
There's some fans already assuming that Marvel will slowly move most of their shows to Netflix where they've had more success. I don't know about that, but it's possible. The real issue is that I read Agent Carter ended on a cliffhanger so there's a lot of upset fans. And like you said: we never get to see the actual formation of SHIELD. I like Agents of SHIELD but it's getting to the point where their existence is making less and less sense. I hope they end the show soon before it gets too ridiculous. Keep whatever characters you want and transition them to small roles in the movies. The other characters can be killed off. Keep Fitz/Simmons and Daisy and stick 'em in small roles in a reformed SHIELD on the movie side. Keep Mockingbird in a SHIELD role as well. If you really want to, open a Secret Warriors show on Netflix.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/black-panther-michael-b-jordan-893845 Michael B. Jordan apparently is set to join Lupita Nyong'o in what is swiftly becoming a star studded lineup for Black Panther. Also Natalie Portman is indeed out for Thor 3 for a "variety of reasons" according to Kevin Fiege. Most of which will be explained in the movie, some of which include her distaste for the movies themselves. I like Natalie, but it's definitely for the best.
What role will MBJ have cause it's obviously not human torch. But sounds like they liked the BP reception in Civil War so now they are getting big name actors.
Rumor is he's a villain and that villain could be Killmonger. He's a Black Panther villain with a decent backstory: father exiled from Wakanda to the US, but couldn't find good work. Killmonger (whatever his real name is, I forget) was a young genius and was able to get into MIT on scholarship or something. He plans an epic revenge against Wakanda and specifically the king T'Chaka. I'm extraordinarily rusty on this because I read the book once years and years ago so feel free to google correct me. Still, what a cast. Marvel is hitting peak efficiency right now. Black Panther and Doctor Strange just have top notch casts.
Their casting department has been great recently, so many actors/actresses in perfect roles for them. Also helps that comic book movies are so popular and cash cows too.
Michael B Jordan is a great addition. He's worked with the director twice already with great results. Marvel kills it in the casting department.
Finally saw Civil War today and WOW!! Was it great!! Everybody has already said most of what I was thinking, but a few things need to be said: 1. I didn't see the story twist at the end coming, and I think it was brilliant! 2. They nailed both Spider Man, and Black Panther. This was IMO, the best and most likable Spider Man I've ever seen in a movie, and Black Panther was just as bad*** as he should have been. 3. They could have named this move Captain America: Bigger and Blacker . Damn there were a lot of black folks in this movie. Awesome!
Can't say I'm surprised. I don't know why anyone other than the actors themselves would think that was a good idea. Their AoS sendoff episode was so bad it made me stop watching AoS completely. I honestly don't even miss it.
Is it just me or do people use different terminology when black people are involved? Not that I mind. I'm with it homies. (that's my one slightly racist joke of the day) Seriously though that cast is amazing. Tremendous. Phase 3 is hitting new heights with the casting of Black Panther and Dr. Strange.
Really? I thought Marvel's Most Wanted was a done deal. It's why Spoiler they had that cheesy, cheesy goodbye a few episodes back. I suppose that means they will make their way back on the show somehow?
Yeah they jumped the gun there for sure. I'm guessing they pop back up on AoS or they turn into a Netflix property maybe. They could also play very, very small parts in the movies if/when SHIELD comes back as an official entity.
Finally saw it, just got home from the latest showing of the day, 10:25. Even then my theater was full. That was the shortest 2 1/2 hour movie I've ever seen. By the time they'd gotten the story cemented in, all the characters talking in various rooms to eachother, I looked at my watch thinking 30 mins gone by, but it was an hour, crazy. Then it was pretty much non stop action set pieces from then on out. Best Spider-Man I've ever seen onscreen, Black Panther kicked a**. The fight choreography and action set pieces all around were outstanding. My only complaints would be that it didn't have much of a story other than to set up the action, and the main villain's motivations were a little.. underwhelming. Some characters also got a little lost in having so many, and it was hard to keep track of a few people. It's been so long since Incredible Hulk that I forgot who William Hurt's character even was, and I don't remember if Martin Freeman was new or someone I should know as well. I also missed Thor and Hulk, but then I guess we have their buddy film to look forward to. I can't put this above winter soldier, that one had a better story for me, and felt epic, but it was a great movie, but felt more like an episode to me than a stand alone movie. You really have to be up to speed on almost every Marvel movie to follow this one, where WS you could watch and probably follow after Captain America 1. I'm ready to get back to the broader universe now though, Guardians of the Galaxy, Thanos, Thor and Hulk. Oh, and I'm always team Cap, he does what's right, and despite being charged as a traitor, criminal, becoming a fugitive in multiple movies, he ends up right in the end. Maybe because he believes in people, maybe because he isn't quick to jump to conclusions. I also liked the thing they had going with him and Sharon Carter. A little weird, maybe, but Peggy's gone, and it felt natural.
All totally valid arguments. My buddies and I afterwards tried to figure out exactly which movies you had to watch to truly understand everyone's motivations. We said the obvious ones were Cap 1 and 2, but you should probably also watch the two Avengers movies AND the Iron Man movies to get Tony's side. We settled on not having to watch Incredible Hulk just because Ross's background wasn't vital to the movie, but it could certainly help set up his motivations as well. It's crazy to think the last time we saw Ross in a Marvel movie was 8 years ago. Wow. As for the villain, I think he's the perfect fit but because of how the other parts of the movie crescendos he seems underwhelming. The issue with Zemo was always going to be that he needs the softest touch. If they make him more "villain"-y then you're going to lose the weight of Tony vs. Cap and you just get them uniting in the end to beat a villain which would have felt too generic (hello Doomsday). Personally I loved Zemo's role in the movie and the fact that unlike most Marvel villains, he's still alive. I thought his scene at the end with Black Panther was great and helps set him up as a guy with nothing left but revenge to live for. It wasn't perfect, but it was great. I can see why you think Winter Soldier is better. It's easier with smaller scale movies to tell a story without feeling like they have to do everything. One issue with Civil War is that, while I love it and think it was well handled, it takes away from Cap's story a bit that we have to have moments for Spidey and Black Panther and Ant-Man and etc etc.
I don't want to argue against all of you who loved this movie. I did enjoy it. It was fun, the action was awesome, Spiderman was great. But there's just something missing for me. Probably just the lack of novelty. I'm getting worn down by all these superhero movies. Probably not a fair criticism, but I want another Dark Knight. Not more of the same Avengers-style movies with a cookie-cutter plot and generic villain whose only function is to set up cool action scenes.
Actually this villain was the opposite of generic. Generic would have been a giant clash with the sleeping bad guys at the end. Zemo was the perfect villain for the "vs" plot they were setting up. I understand not liking the typical block buster, but that's really not what this was. It had the action sequences of a block buster, but the plot was really not cookie-cutter whatsoever. A cookie-cutter plot would be earlier Marvel movies like Captain America: The First Avenger or Thor. What other movies (besides Batman vs. Superman which did it extraordinarily poorly) tackles two heroes disagreeing fundamentally to the point of physical confrontation? I get not liking the bigger side though. I know there's bound to be fatigue on that front given that there ARE a bunch of typical superhero movies out these days like X-Men or just flat superhero movies like Batman vs. Superman.
Well you're right. Now that I think about it, the plot and villain on paper are intriguing. But something about it FELT generic to me. Like despite the potential for very interesting storytelling, these intriguing villains and plot devices still felt like they were rushed through in order to serve as a catalyst for action scenes. I don't have an answer for how to get around that though. It was a 2.5 hour blockbuster summer action flick that had interesting plot elements and great acting. Just felt like the premise could've somehow been executed better. To be honest, now that I think about it, I might've enjoyed this better if it was an 8 episode mini-series on Netflix rather than a movie. Obviously there's too much money on the table for them to actually do something like that, but I'm realizing that movies are simply no longer my preferred format for storytelling.
There's a reason why this is the golden age of television. If you have a half-way decent cast and great writers, television is the best place to tell a story. You get more time to delve into characters, set-up action, set-up twists, etc. Shows like The Wire, Breaking Bad, Walking Dead, Arrested Development, even the smuttier shows like How to Get Away With Murder... They all have more time than a movie to get things done. What's unique about Marvel (for now) is that they're the only movie franchise that is attempting to have the same basic connective tissue across movies. For me, that's what made this movie great. You can watch it and see character motivations from everyone clearly from just this film, but if you watch the previous films they all lend to this story. You see why Cap is against the Accords because of Cap 1 and Cap 2 while Tony is for them because of Iron Man 1-3 and both Avengers movies. Those two arch perfectly through their experiences in the movies and it leads to this moment and this movie. I get not loving the block buster feel, really I do. You're not the only person I've heard with that complaint, but at least for me the story is what struck me. It was well told and while the inclusion of Ant-Man and Spider-Man blows the proportion of this movie through the roof I thought the story still was well told. If you look at the arch of Tony, Steve, and even T'Challa they all arch logically and in all three cases pretty tragically. That third act (everything after the airport) is my favorite in a comic book movie so far. They lead you down the path of "this is about to turn into a crazy explosion filled Michael Bay super hero ending" and instead it's a very personal story about all five characters at the end there.
