Alright, now those explanations clear a lot of stuff up for me. Didn't know F4 was the first, now I get the lame powers and catch phrases. Didn't know about the family dynamic at all either. I'll admit I went overboard with my hate on The Thing as well, as I do get the tragic side, but I hate these characters so much that I can't help it. I grew up with nothing but these movies as reference, never read a single F4 comic, so you can easily see how I came to hate the franchise.
The most interesting part of this: FOX needs Marvel's approval to make this happen. They're in "negotiations". Easy peasy: Hand over the film rights to FF (including Doom and Sliver Surfer) and you can keep any X-Men/mutant related material for yourself (outside of Scarlet Witch).
Yeah totally understandable. The FF is one of the most under-appreciated/under-produced hero franchises out there. I mean they've now had four movies in the last 15 years or so and they've all been terrible. With the exception of the 2005 movie which was at least not the worst thing I've watched.
Trailer commentary/breakdown by the director of Deadpool http://www.empireonline.com/features/deadpool-trailer-breakdown
Ouch! Not even the director supports fantastic 4 http://www.slashfilm.com/josh-trank-fantastic-four-tweet/#more-308225
Trank just made an enormous mistake. Cross the fans all you want, this movie was doomed (pardon the pun) to failure anyway. Don't go after the studio though! They are the ones who let you MAKE movies! If you're seen as a problem director, no one will give you a shot! Couple that with the rumors of his on-set issues with FF... Oh man! Showing up drunk or high on set, forcing enormous re-shoots weeks after wrapping, sometimes not even showing up? This guy may have taken a blossoming career and tanked it about as quickly as this FF franchise just went down.
FF opens to 2.7 million which honestly is better than the studio probably hoped. For comparison Magic Mike 2 (which was universally viewed as underwhelming) opened with 9.3 million. Terminator 5 opened with 8.9 million. For more direct competition: Ant-Man opened with a decent 6.4 million on opening night.
Apparently Trank has a different cut of the movie that is apparently better than the final version. I saw it today and it wasn't the worse movie ever its just hard not comparing it to the other comic book movies that came out recently. F4 had no character development, no plot development towards the climax, it just.... happened. It was only 100 mins long and I think if it was longer, a lot of holes could have been filled. The actors playing the F4 and Doom are actually good actors, they just weren't put in a place to shine. Visually it was pretty cool, if this wasn't a F4 movie it could have been a good sci-fi movie. I do hope Marvel can get back the rights to these guys though, Reed Richards is a huge part to some of the more interesting Marvel story lines.
More when you count reshoots and promotions. Probably close to 200 million in total. I read somewhere it got a little over 60 international which is still bad, but I don't know if that includes the 28 million domestic. I'm having a hard time coming up with scenarios where they make their money back on this.
Yeah, the $60m is total (domestic + international) and the drop off next week will be steep with UNCLE and Straight Outta Compton coming out. Instead of dumping all that money into last minute marketing, they should have pushed it from a summer release to a January slot, like what happened with Jupiter Ascending.
Good, maybe they'll learn their lesson finally. Maybe the public won't give a billion dollars to another pile of crap just because it's a comic book movie, finally. Maybe. I sure hope so anyway.
But Jupiter Ascending was a flop too. I think they should have recognized this movie was gonna flop and just stopped the marketing for it. Don't waste the money.
What movie are you referring to? There's been a lot, lot more successful comic book movies than bad ones. Even some of the bad ones did well in the box office!
Well that was my point, even the bad ones make a billion dollars. People say the movies are dying, yet people throw their money at any big budget CGI spectacle that comes along. I'm not against comic book movies at all, clearly though, I love the good ones. I'm against the ones that are crap from the script or even the concept, onwards. The ones like F4 where there's clearly an issue, but they push it out anyway because they think people will see "comic book movie", and spend money. Specific other crap in recent times, Transformers 2-however many there are, the latest Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and the Amazinf Spider-Man 1 & 2. I may be leaving some out, but that's what comes immediately to mind. Oh, I remembered some more, the Green Lantern, X-Men Origins Wolverine. Maybe the Green Hornet, I know I'm forgetting some others.
Don't forget ghost rider . How they tricked Elba into being in that sequel proves blackmail in Hollywood is very real. That's the only explanation I can think of.
You know.. I'm not sure I was even aware a Ghost Rider sequel existed. The first was so bad I can't comprehend the idea. Maybe I sort of melded the 2 into 1 and thought of them as 1 terrible.. thing. Whatever the case it slipped by me, never saw it, but I think that movie probably proves my point better than any I listed. How does that get a sequel that has its original cast or isn't straight to DVD? I can't even argue that the mid 2000's fantastic four was bad enough that they shouldn't have tried to do better with a movie featuring Silver Surfer and Galactus. What they ended up with was one of the worst movies I've ever seen, but at the time they had to try I guess.
Fun fact on that Ghost Rider movie: the sequel had a budget almost half of what the first one did. Aka- the studio thought they could just cash in on a decent property and a big-name actor. The movie ran for under 60 million dollars and almost 9 of that went straight to Nick Cage. Crazy. My point was just that there's so many comic book movies out right now and a lot of them have been pretty decent. I agree studios will shove out garbage movies, but it's not limited to comic book movies. It's all about big budgets. I know Transformers and Terminator and all of that is technically comic based, but it's not really what they're known for. They're known for being toys and cartoon shows. Movies like V for Vendetta, Scott Pilgrim vs. the World, to a lesser extent Watchmen, 300, all of those are comic book movies that were pretty great and they just popped into my head right now. Kick-a** was alright. Kingsman was pretty great (actually much better than the comic). Most Marvel properties have been decent. DC properties have been passable movies... I don't know. I think FF is more outlier than anything although its failure DEFINITELY highlights that although heroes are in right now, that doesn't mean EVERY hero movie will be a smash hit.
Ok, I'll narrow it down then, because I'm not attacking comic book movies, I'm attacking Fantastic 4 and Sony made Spider-Man stuff. I hope Fox or whoever makes Fantastic 4 learns THEIR lesson. Stop making s*** F4 movies, maybe let the director do his thing if he says he has a good movie and then you wreck it. Apparently the first half, or hour of F4 isn't terrible, but the rest is. Fox learned their lesson with X-Men 3 and Wolverine 1, why can't they learn it with F4? Sony finally lent Spider-Man to Marvel to hopefully fix him, so maybe there's hope all around. These lessons need to be learned, this movie deserves to bomb, I think that was my main point. I think lol. Oh and if I'm reading you right, you liked Scott Pilgrim. Wow, now I know 2 people other than me that like it (I actually love it, quote it all the time, and watch it often). I also liked V For Vendetta and Watchmen, never saw 300.
